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World of Logs Analysis (Help me not suck thread)

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Hi all,

Long time lurker, 1st time posting.

I feel as though my healing is decent enough, but the title of this thread says "help me not suck", so I'm hoping posting this might help improve my play! This was our last raid 4 days ago - killed 4 normal modes with a few tries, and wiped a bit on Alysrazor.

WoL link - World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Armory link - Faster @ Aerie Peak - Game - World of Warcraft

Thanks for your time!

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Hello,

I'm looking for help to improve my DPS. I think my DPS are ok (I have some WoL ranks) but I want to play my Ret Paladin the best possible way. I already have good gear but I think with my gear I should do more DPS. I play with the standard priority Inq > CS > HoW > Exo > TV > J > HW > Cons, use clcret and wowreforge.com.

Here is my Armory: Chinakohl @ Kil'jaeden - Game - World of Warcraft

Baleroc 10N from Friday: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Majodormo Staghelm 10N (currently Rank 91) from Friday: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Thank you all for reading

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I'm looking for help to improve my DPS. I think my DPS are ok (I have some WoL ranks) but I want to play my Ret Paladin the best possible way.

You didn't list any suggestions what your problem might be, so it's hard to provide specific advice.

Baleroc

330 second fight, 71 CS = 4.65 average CD.

CS (1.5 GCD) + filler 1 (1-1.5 GCD) + filler 2 (1-1.5 GCD) = 3.5 to 4.5 seconds, not counting times when there are not 2 fillers available and you could thus hit CS as soon as its own CD ends, which is definitely less than 4.5 seconds.

3 full length 4piece Zealotry (35 seconds * 3 = 105 seconds). Based on HP generation (111) this means 51 normal CS and 20 under Zealotry. 20 CS in 105 seconds = 5.25 average CD. So under Zealotry, when CS is at its strongest, you are using less CS than outside of Zealotry.

First Zealotry 7 CS in 35 seconds (5 seconds average).

Second Zealotry 6 CS in 35 seconds (5.83 seconds average).

Third Zealotry 7 CS in 35 seconds (5 seconds average).

No refresh of DivPurp or AoW, so you used those procs effectively. Possibly too effectively, you may be using Exo under Zealotry when you should be using CS/TV. Probably losing CS to HoW, also. You want to CS as frequently as possible. CS when you already have 3 HP is, naturally, pointless. There are times when you should hit TV instead of Exo/HoW so you can then CS, rather than sit on the next CS because you're using Exo and HoW with 3 HP (even worse, 3 HP and a DivPurp too!) and still need to purge that before you can CS.

Good Inq up-time.

Good CD usage, including Divine Protection which is extremely useful (glyphed) on that fight.

Staghelm

7.5% of TV were parried, 8.6% of CS were parried - that's a lot of wasted damage and HP. Better positioning can avoid this. Our feral pointed out to me that Staghelm has a huge "back" that overlaps his flame scythe. Stand just beyond either claw and you will receive no parries, while still splitting cleave damage. The Rogue in your group should be able to show you precise positioning as his/her abilities requiring behind the target will become usable in his/her UI.

Average CS is 4.73. Some time off target (Seeds) and transitions can explain a portion, but still below where it ought to be.

Divine Shield can completely absorb seed damage - use it when you run from the stack (as it still causes the AOE explosion element it should NOT be used as an excuse to stay stacked). Macro to engage and immediately remove (/cancelaura before /cast and press twice) prevents any DPS loss. It also permits you to run immediately. The first ~10 seconds no seeds will explode (to give people a chance to look at their timers and prepare). During that window you can run out, Divine Shield for no damage, return to stack. Not only does this mean no interruption mid-phase (for easier CD usage), but it means you are present for every single flame scythe (rather than potentially out dropping a seed during one) which makes healers' lives easier.

First Zealotry 8 CS in 35 seconds (4.375 seconds average). About your fight average, which is low.

Second Zealotry 6 CS in 35 seconds (5.83 seconds average).

Third Zealotry 6 CS in 35 seconds (5.83 seconds average).

Still performing less CS under Zealotry than during non-Zealotry fight periods.

Inq up-time good.

Missed an Essence of the Eternal Flame usage (I hate that minute timer), otherwise good CD usage.

2 DivPurp refreshes, so 2 lost TV.

Bottom Line: Good numbers, but definitely need to address CS in Zealotry. May want to work more on CS in general.

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Divine Shield just before phase transition prevents the Seeds from being applied, and there's no explosion - so with good timing, you shouldn't need to run out at all.

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You didn't list any suggestions what your problem might be, so it's hard to provide specific advice.

Yeah sorry but I didn't really know what my problem is.

Baleroc

No refresh of DivPurp or AoW, so you used those procs effectively. Possibly too effectively, you may be using Exo under Zealotry when you should be using CS/TV. Probably losing CS to HoW, also. You want to CS as frequently as possible. CS when you already have 3 HP is, naturally, pointless. There are times when you should hit TV instead of Exo/HoW so you can then CS, rather than sit on the next CS because you're using Exo and HoW with 3 HP (even worse, 3 HP and a DivPurp too!) and still need to purge that before you can CS.

Okay thanks for the information.

Staghelm

7.5% of TV were parried, 8.6% of CS were parried - that's a lot of wasted damage and HP. Better positioning can avoid this. Our feral pointed out to me that Staghelm has a huge "back" that overlaps his flame scythe. Stand just beyond either claw and you will receive no parries, while still splitting cleave damage. The Rogue in your group should be able to show you precise positioning as his/her abilities requiring behind the target will become usable in his/her UI.

Divine Shield can completely absorb seed damage - use it when you run from the stack (as it still causes the AOE explosion element it should NOT be used as an excuse to stay stacked). Macro to engage and immediately remove (/cancelaura before /cast and press twice) prevents any DPS loss. It also permits you to run immediately. The first ~10 seconds no seeds will explode (to give people a chance to look at their timers and prepare). During that window you can run out, Divine Shield for no damage, return to stack. Not only does this mean no interruption mid-phase (for easier CD usage), but it means you are present for every single flame scythe (rather than potentially out dropping a seed during one) which makes healers' lives easier.

Thanks for the tips. I'm going to try this next Friday.

Bottom Line: Good numbers, but definitely need to address CS in Zealotry. May want to work more on CS in general.

I know now where my problem is and hope to improve my DPS with your suggestions next Friday.

Again, thanks for the help mate. :)

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So, I'm not a holy paladin, but as our co-raidlead, it's fallen upon me to make our raid group not suck, so we can progress on FL. Last night, we (In an amazing show of progression) downed Shannox on our 33rd attempt, even after having multiple attempts at sub 15% health. The reason we wiped was due to Psychy, our tank healer, being OOM. So, with the holy pally thread being outdated, I just saw this thread, and thought I'd at least ask for some help on this. Unforunately, the log for the kill wasn't recorded, but there are a quadrillion wipes, and probably at least 5 are sub 15%, so probably show a pretty good representation of what is happening in the fight.

In summation, the absolute largest issue is simply keeping the tanks up in a mana efficient manner. I'm our raid heals, and I typically keep the raid up with another resto druid, or a disc, making our healing comp druid/druid/pally or druid/priest/pally.

If anyone has the time, I'd really love some help on this, as my expertise can hardly be claimed over resto druid (as much as I try), much less holy pallies.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

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I have been following this thread to see if I can improve my DPS using advice given to others. I think I have the basics down with priority and CDs but my DPS is not where I think it should be. I am using CLCret with Inq > CS > TV > Exo > HoW > J > HW > Cons

My armory: Glacial @ Blade's Edge - Game - World of Warcraft I just picked up apparatus last night and was using LtS before then.

Here are some logs from a FL raid last week.

Shannox kill: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

I was on Rageface until he died then the boss the rest of the fight

Beth'tilac best attempt: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

I was on drones most of phase 1 with some spinner duty in between.

1. I have read that inquisition should be up ~95% of the time but most of my logs show only ~80% uptime. I have CLCret set up for 3 HP initial, 3 HP refresh, and 5 sec refresh and I track inquisition with a Class Timers bar right below CLCret. I notice Inq falling off but should I refresh with 1-2 HP when that happens? I am not sure if that is a DPS loss. Should I change CLCret settings? How do other Rets keep Inq up so often?

2. Most of my fights have DPS abilities in this order: TV, HoL, CS, melee but I see on other ret logs they have HoL as the top damage ability. Why am I not doing as much HoL damage? Is it related to Inq uptime?

3. Any other suggestions on how to improve my DPS? I am trying to learn how to use Apparatus with my other CDs and hopefully that will help once I get that locked in.

Thanks in advance for the assistance.

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So, I'm not a holy paladin, but as our co-raidlead, it's fallen upon me to make our raid group not suck, so we can progress on FL. Last night, we (In an amazing show of progression) downed Shannox on our 33rd attempt, even after having multiple attempts at sub 15% health. The reason we wiped was due to Psychy, our tank healer, being OOM. So, with the holy pally thread being outdated, I just saw this thread, and thought I'd at least ask for some help on this. Unforunately, the log for the kill wasn't recorded, but there are a quadrillion wipes, and probably at least 5 are sub 15%, so probably show a pretty good representation of what is happening in the fight.

In summation, the absolute largest issue is simply keeping the tanks up in a mana efficient manner. I'm our raid heals, and I typically keep the raid up with another resto druid, or a disc, making our healing comp druid/druid/pally or druid/priest/pally.

If anyone has the time, I'd really love some help on this, as my expertise can hardly be claimed over resto druid (as much as I try), much less holy pallies.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

The Holy Pally guide isn't totally outdated. The playstyle tips still hold true, but the stats portion needs an overhaul. As I show on page 39, haste, crit, and mastery are all fairly even now when it comes to tank healing. Mastery loses value when the shield doesn't get used, but becomes the best healing stat when healing one or two targets and keeping a shield up on both.

As far as playing goes, she (female toon, just gonna go with she) has enough overheal on Beacon and Divine Light that I'd say she should use Holy Light more often instead of DL. Holy Radiance had a whopping 62% overheal, so she can definitely hold back on that and save mana. Light of Dawn likewise had a massive amount of overheal so I'd recommend switching over to more WoG since raid healing seems to be covered well.

In all 7 encounters you have on that WoL, she used Divine Plea 12 times. It's likely she could use it more liberally, but from the total duration at least she's letting it run its course fully. Remind her she can cancel the buff to negate the 50% healing issue, since that may be a factor for using it in the first place. I admit I'm not familiar with Shannox's mechanics, so I can't say whether it's possible to squeeze more in. Seal of Insight is certainly granting a lot of mana, but it might be possible to get more in by hitting the boss or adds with melee attacks. This shouldn't take precedence over actual healing though.

As for her gearing, she could definitely benefit from upgrades. Her average item level in Holy is 360, so replacing some 353 items will help. She could stand to gain more intellect by changing to pure Int gems since ignoring the socket bonus tends to work out better unless it's at least a gain of 20 secondary stats. The uptime on Inner Eye (Jar of Ancient Remedies buff) should be higher and theoretically peaks at 75% I believe, assuming one uses the on use effect every 2 minutes as should be done. I have no reforging recommendations since tank healing makes each secondary stat pretty equal.

Her talents certainly work, but might benefit from tweaking. One of my first thoughts is switching out Pursuit of Justice, since the run speed can easily be approximated by using a boot enchant and the Holy Power gains in PVE usually don't amount to what Eternal Glory might do. Blessed Life might also be an option since there seems to be enough floating damage that it should trigger the talent pretty often, so much so that even one point should give good returns.

Her glyphs are alright, though she might get more from Holy Shock than Word of Glory. If she's not using Cleanse much then that glyph is pretty much useless and is better spent on Divine Plea.

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I have been following this thread to see if I can improve my DPS using advice given to others.

To start with, your Shannox log shows 84 Crusader Strike hits (both hits and crits) in a fight-length of 07.12 minutes. That's approximately 1 CS / 5.14 second. Assuming you were on Rageface until his death and on Shannox for the rest of the fight, you might want to make sure you are not missing any CSs due to slow reaction speed or movement issues.

1. Your Inquisition uptime problem lays on the fact that you have a hindered HP regeneration due to the slow-cast CSs and the fact that you allow it to drop. My suggestion is to refresh it with even 2 HP if you notice it falling beyond the 5 second barrier set by CLCret. A cool hint would be to refresh it right before you use Zealotry/AW so that you won't have to spend HP for it in the middle of you burst or by using DivPurp procs. Also, a smart thing to do would be to plan ahead, do not always count on CLCret to tell you exactly how to play your class. Given the scenario that you have 10 seconds on your Inquisition left, no HP and a DivPurp proc, CLCret will prompt you to cast TV, while the smart thing to do would be to refresh your Inquisition as it is unlikely that you might have another lucky DivPurp proc in the next few seconds, let alone build up 3 HP to refresh it the normal way.

2. Indeed, this is related to your Inquisition uptime but not that heavily related as to explain the gap in DMG between TV and HoL. Another factor would be your Mastery. Most Ret paladins prefer to run with approx. ~20 Mastery, allowing them to benefit even more from their Inquisition uptime, while your armory shows an exact 17.30 Mastery. Timing your Apparatus for this manner would greately boost your HoL assuming that you keep your Inq uptime close to ~90-95%.

3. I would strongly recommend using your Apparatus whenever possible, making sure though that it will still be available for your GoAK/Zealotry/AW phases. Since I do not yet own that trinket, I won't be of much help regarding it's optimal use in a raid environment.

One last tip, regardless of the usefulness of CLCret, I highly recommend that you disable it sooner or later, once you have that grasp on retri DPS you're looking for. Your goal is to manually track your CDs and Inq uptime without the help of CLCret, as it might give you semi-false suggestions regarding Inquisition. Give it a try on the target dummies, you never know.

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For GlacialRet and to expand on Spacecadett's (very good) analysis:

Shannox

Not sure why your melee are chasing Rageface around. You have a Spriest, 2 Hunters, and an Elemental Shaman in that kill. Your ranged should be on Rageface while melee is on Shannox. Rageface dies, they swap to Limbrip. By the time the puppies die Shannox should be in the low 30s from melee stuck to him. It is a lot of lost DPS chasing the dog around or waiting for it to be un-trapped. Your ranged can just retarget Limbrip for a few seconds on a trap and they should never be out of range, while a melee runs around (risking traps a lot more, too). Either your ranged is slow or low DPS for some reason, or you're drawing the fight out longer than your raid needs by not splitting DPS most effectively to have him near 30% when the dogs die.

Hard to do a thorough breakdown of Shannox - ideally it's Patchwerk-esque as you're just following him as your tank steps out of traps. No time off target, no swaps, etc. That and Baleroc are very easy to compare to an ideal setup. Start to throw in movement or unusual fights (Beth, Rhyolith's armour, Alysrazor) and your average will not adhere to an ideal.

Beth

Won't even try to break down. Plenty of movement, target swaps as things die or you wait for spinners to drop/etc. On 25 we find it very useful to have non-tanks assist on Spinner taunts (RD is sometimes a bitch, but HoR is always good) to get them down and grouped fast. They melee soft, but their random target is large whether on ground or in air. Faster they drop and tank (plus a few DPS if you like) AOEs them to death, the less raid damage.

1. Inq - I recently broke my T11 4 piece (oh, how I miss it). I'm finding that I start with a 1 HP Inq, which gives me almost perfectly enough time to get to 3 HP as it is expiring, and run 3. Majority of the time I can then hit another 3 HP Inq in the 1-4 seconds remaining stage. If it's not then I'll use a 1 or 2 HP Inq. Remember, 1 or 2 HP Inq are not innately bad, they just eat extra GCD, which at times are more precious than gold. However, losing a Judge, HW, or Cons to refresh Inq is a definitive win. Inq is a huge buff. Your slow CS feeds into this - more CS, more HP, easier to have 3 for Inq.

2. HoL - all about the CS. More CS = more HoL. More CS = more HP = more TV = more HoL. The long delay on CS is a killer. Since Inq modifies HoL, it's of impact, but not nearly as much as the long times between CS.

3. Apparatus - don't have one either, but this is what I've heard. Stacks on crit, since we no longer have WotLK level crit % this can be painful. Barring unusual circumstances first CDs should be used within a minute of the pull (some perform at pull). If you do not have a 5 stack when you use that first CD - use what you have. Then for later CDs try to align your 5stack and CD usage together - delay one or the other by up to 20ish seconds if necessary (keeping in mind fight length, again better to use partial-Apparatus with another CD cycle than lose a CD use entirely).

If you find you still need assistance later, see if you can convince your raid leader of the superiority of melee on Shannox and post a log of that

Regarding clcRet - use it as a sanity check. Ideally you get to the point where you know what's next. clcRet should agree with what you already expect and anticipate. Make note of the times it does not agree with what you intend. Those will let you refine your own play - did you do something wrong, or were you surpassing the training wheels?

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Holy Radiance had a whopping 62% overheal, so she can definitely hold back on that and save mana. Light of Dawn likewise had a massive amount of overheal so I'd recommend switching over to more WoG since raid healing seems to be covered well.

Holy is only my offspec, so I won't be great at analyzing in detail, but the fact that your holy pally is using HR or LoD AT ALL in this situation is pretty silly. You are in a 10 man guild on a fight where no more than 3 people should be taking damage at any given time, and the remaining 7 shouldn't be taking any. On top of that, you are running 3 healers and assigning your holy paladin to tanks AND the raid is (presumably) quite spread out. Holy Radiance is a complete waste of mana in a situation like this, and WoG will be a far better choice compared to LoD for similar reasons.

Honestly, aside from using HR and LoD on a fight where it doesn't make sense to, I don't think your holy pally is playing that poorly at all. You claim that tank healing was the issue, yet in the 7 wipes you linked in that log, the tank died first in only one of them (excluding immolation trap--healers shouldn't be asked to heal through that). You have dps getting cleaved by Shannox, tanks getting hit by immolation traps, dps dying to Rageface, and dps getting hit by the spear AOE. Fixing these things will go a long way for your healers' mana. Your longer attempts that aren't even kills are already over 9 minutes long. I don't know if that's normal for a 10m group (I run 25s), but my guild kills normal shannox in 6 minutes and heroic in 4.5 and I don't really think our dps is that impressive.

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Ret DPS questions

Longtime reader but never had anything useful to contribute so I refrained from posting. Recently I've felt that my DPS was on the low side compared to some of our guildies, it is also unpleasent to be on the bottom every time. I am not exactly sure what I would be doing wrong. My first guess would be that I am not using the priority system properly

Below links are of my armory in PvE Gear and PvE Spec (The second spec) and a recent (in current gear) Baradin hold. Whilst this might nog be the best example to show you it is currently the only recent WoL log I have. Though I am hoping my failing is consistent and the same in every other raid. Hope someone here can point me in the right direction as to what would be wrong.

My armory: Nedje @ Auchindoun (EU) - Game - World of Warcraft

The Baradin Hold: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis/

Thanks in advance, I hope to soon be able to play on par with most of my guildies.

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Ret DPS questions

Forgive me in advance for not being able to cover up everything in your post or everything that can be seen on your log.

As with GlacialRet, your log shows 44 CSs in 3.56 mins. That's 1 CS/5.36 second. Given that most of the time you'll be nuking Occu'thar with minor/zero movement, with the exception of the time you have to stack up for the Eyes, I'd suggest that you should look a bit into your CS usage before everything else. Less CS = Less HP = Less TV,Inq uptime, HoL = Less DPS.

Your CD usage is satisfactory, maybe the trick for squeezing an extra bit of DPS lies in aligning your major CDs altogether. Give it some shots on the dummies, macro your Zealotry and AW, pop your GoAK and after 10 seconds (assuming that you have refreshed your Inq and have 3 HP) hit the macro. On bosses, this generally does the trick.

Maybe your concern about the priority system lies on the fact that our random generated procs, when proc'ing altogether may confuse you. The rule of thumb is, before everything else, make sure that Inquisition is always refreshed, sacrificing a TV from a DivPurp proc in favor of refreshing Inq is a definite DPS gain. Next, always time your skills in such fashion that no matter what procs, you will hit CS right when it's off cooldown.

To round things up and save you from looking through a pile of jibberjabber for some sought-after advice, work on your CS usage.

Best regards.

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Forgive me in advance for not being able to cover up everything in your post or everything that can be seen on your log.

As with GlacialRet, your log shows 44 CSs in 3.56 mins. That's 1 CS/5.36 second.

You forgot the part where he used DS too.

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I need some help healing in phase 2 on heroic beth'tilac. Top parses show that the majority of healing in phase 2 comes from holy radiance. Here is the current highest HPS paladin parse, selecting only phase 2: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Here is my best phase 2 parse so far: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

His armory: Zodiacc @ Ysera - Game - World of Warcraft

My armory: Fancypants @ Stonemaul - Game - World of Warcraft

You'll notice that while our overall phase 2 HPS is close (his is just under 35000, mine is 32320), he is making more efficient use of his healing spells, relying much less on Divine Light. Here is a breakdown of our spell usage.

I'm most interested in trying to figure out how his holy radiances did about 600k more healing than mine when he cast the spell just one more time than me (7 as opposed to 6). He had one thousand more ticks than me, yet I have more haste than him.

Any comments are greatly appreciated.

Shard of Woe

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You forgot the part where he used DS too.

Good catch, I apologise.

If I may speculate a bit, the DS casts must've been ~4-5. Based on that, we have a CD/DS usage of 1 per 4.91 seconds. Still a bit slow considering the Patchwerk'ish style of fight that Occu'thar is.

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Here are some logs from last night heroic rhyolith Rhyolith I have been doing somewhat ok with it but I need to know what im doing wrong to get me out of the bottom 10% of the population.

Here are my logs for beth, baleroc alysrazor

I am having some real trouble with beth, seem to always be last, I am assigned for bottom raid healing, beacon on drone tanks.

Baleroc I am assigned to melee torrent targets until first crystal and next crystal I heal tank. Normally always last :(.

I normally do pretty good on alysrazor but im healing is always low, it does seem to be because my side doesnt take as much dmg as the other but still im very low.

Here is the past couple weeks of logs if anyone wanted to look at them.

Any help would greatly be appreciated.

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Here are some logs from last night heroic rhyolith Rhyolith I have been doing somewhat ok with it but I need to know what im doing wrong to get me out of the bottom 10% of the population.

Here are my logs for beth, baleroc alysrazor

I am having some real trouble with beth, seem to always be last, I am assigned for bottom raid healing, beacon on drone tanks.

Baleroc I am assigned to melee torrent targets until first crystal and next crystal I heal tank. Normally always last :(.

I normally do pretty good on alysrazor but im healing is always low, it does seem to be because my side doesnt take as much dmg as the other but still im very low.

Here is the past couple weeks of logs if anyone wanted to look at them.

Any help would greatly be appreciated.

Looks like holy Shock and Beacon are a lot lower than the other paladin heals in your guild and that is what is causing you to lose much healing done as on Baleroc, arde had 41 Holy shocks to your 21, so that's almost 7 WoG's or LoD's. Also your beacon for the same fight was awful for healing. If it was put on the OT then it would have helped a lot more towards your healing done. And you need to judge and divine plea more as your top healer had 2 1/2 times more mana regen then your seal of insight and his divine plea was about the same even though you got more vital flame stacks than him he still had more procs.

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I normally have holy shock on cool down 100% of the time, I also put my beacon on the tank above so I don't think it was hitting. Thank you for the advice and please others if you have any comments please let me know! I need all the help I can get, I am currently below 10% of the holy pally populations and its very disturbing to me.

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I don't have any other logs since I rarely play on a computer where I can upload stuff, this is the only one I got:

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

(sorry for it being in Russian, I don't know if its possible to translate it)

Normally I don't have a problem with my DPS (though I'd be happy to hear where I can improve), but looking over this log I was surprised to see only 80% Inq uptime. I do admit to letting it drop a few times, but I don't think it ever being down longer than a few seconds. Is it possible to see specific cases of when it happened?

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Normally I don't have a problem with my DPS (though I'd be happy to hear where I can improve), but looking over this log I was surprised to see only 80% Inq uptime. I do admit to letting it drop a few times, but I don't think it ever being down longer than a few seconds. Is it possible to see specific cases of when it happened?

You can use WoL's expression editor to filter the log, using something like

targetName = "mynamehere" AND spell = "Inquisition"

By the power of copy&paste, I managed this: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

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To start, a caveat: My apologies, I have no facility in deciphering Cyrillic, much less actively understanding the Russian language. As such I'm unable to determine if you just stand and pew-pew Cho'gall or assist on adds (though I believe the latter). Any fight that involves target swaps and/or reasonable movement will not provide the best log data. It's difficult to tell whether you're "doing it wrong" or are stuck away from a target and unable to do what would otherwise be the perfect priority. Analysis below is based on the idea you are able to hit a target every CS CD, which may be untrue on this particular fight if you are running around.

Based on sjogren's link your Inq faded 7 times and was refreshed 6 times. It fell off entirely 7 times before you started it new and only 6 times refreshed it. Definitely need to pay more attention to your Inq timer. I would highly recommend something that warns you when it's at or under 5 seconds (or shows a timer bar you can move somewhere noticeable) - mods such as Power Auras or Elk's Buff Bars would permit that if you do not already use one.

One time it dropped for less than half a second - okay, can happen. The killers are the times it dropped for 5-6 seconds. That means you had time for 2 CS before you put it back up and that you probably misused 3 HP in the last 3-4 seconds of the last Inq for a TV instead of a refresh. That's an enormous amount of lost Holy damage - all our fillers are Holy damage, as is Censure. The only thing not directly gaining from Inq is autoattack (even CS and TV gain from 30% of their HoL). Rough guesstimate, but you're losing about 20% total damage for those 5-6 seconds.

Refreshing Inq at 1 or 2 HP eats some additional GCD over the course of the fight, so it's not the perfect ideal, but it's far better than losing Inq entirely. Partially dependent on your Haste, but I often find if it's going to expire I can do a 1 HP Inq and the 12 seconds gives me exactly the time necessary to earn 3 HP for a full fresh Inq. I think this was intended in Blizzard's extension from 10 to 12 seconds.

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Thanks for the replies. It seems I don't know how to use WOL, as the total log time is about a minute longer than the fight length, if I divide total Inq time by fight length I get about 92%. I thought wol was supposed to do that by default?

A bit off-topic here, is there any tool to translate logs before uploading them? I believe it won't be hard to make one, but I don't have an up-to-date english client to grab spell names from.

For the fight I was mostly on the boss, switching to elementals when the raid was busy with other adds (otherwise elementals got cleaved).

Thanks for the heads up on 1hp Inq, I do that sometimes but the way clcret only suggests refreshing with 3hp makes me think its not intended to be used that way. No, I don't go entirely by what the addon is suggesting, I just thought if refreshing inq even with 1 hp was a big deal then this would've been added as a special case.

So, for example, starting a fight with (judge-)cs-inq is better than waiting for 3hp?

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If you want WoL to look at a specific fight, you have to choose that fight from the drop down at the top. The links of your logs are showing the "Full Report" which does exactly what it sounds like it does. If you select from the drop down your Cho'gall kill and then look at your details, your Inquisition uptime correctly shows up as 91.9%:

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis (Click on the "Buffs Cast" tab)

I don't know about a translation tool available, but if you mouse over the buffs on that page the tooltips show up in English still, so that's something.

Lastly, Clcret will suggest exactly what YOU tell it to suggest. If you look in the options, there are TWO options for Inquisition. They are "minimum hp for apply" and "minimum hp for refresh" (I forget the exact wording, but something like that). The "apply" is for when you don't have Inquisition active already, so if you set that to 1 and the refresh option to 3, you'll get what you're looking for. Those settings will also make clcret suggest inq at 1 hp if you ever let it fall off in the middle of a fight.

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I feel like my HPS are low. I think I should be able to do more but Im stuck. I all most always am a main tank healer. I think one of my biggest issues is not using my CDs at the right points during a fight or just missing them all together. Most of the time I am fine on mana.

Here is a link to the last world of logs.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Here is a link to our Rag kill.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Here is a link to my armory.

Müdack @ Runetotem - Game - World of Warcraft

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks Müdack

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