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As the old thread is no longer being maintained I thought I'd start a new one.

I feel that TG is now thoroughly tested and will be moving on to SMF soon.

[TABLE]HEROIC BIS|DPS

Fury: Titan's Grip|33,100

Fury: Single Minded Fury|

[/TABLE]

What's to come:

  • Arms Build
  • Theoretical DPS for Each Set

Notes:

-For TG [iTEM]Cloudburst Cloak[/iTEM] of the Earthshaker and [iTEM]Bladed Flamewrath Cover[/iTEM] rank equally. I chose to use the Cloudburst Cloak in the BIS set because it made it easier to manage Exp.

This is by no means finalized until more testing is done. If I have overlooked something please feel free to leave a comment.

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I don't think the reputation belt and cloak (Cinch of the Flaming Ember and Bladed Flamewrath Cover) are actually upgradable to heroic, and neither is the valor purchased neck (Stoneheart Choker), even though they may be in the game files.

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Even if you cant upgrade the cloak to heroic, it will still be BIS due to lack of better options. Its possible that Uncrushable Belt of Fury might be BIS for heroic though that belt has a low itemization towards STR and you would still have more overall STR from Cinch of Flaming Embers. As for the Neck the other option would be the Necklace of Fetishes which might work well if you switch to the Uncrushable Belt of Fury as you switch where you get your EXP from.

Edit:Math is suggesting that the Heroic Uncrushable Belt of Fury would be BIS if the Rep Items are not eligible for upgrade. Granted my math was a bit crude.

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If any of these items are exclusively Heroic, then a non-heroic profile should probably be created. Additionally, since ratings are obviously lower on non-Heroic gear, there may be different reforge optimalisation required on the non-heroic gear (i.e. leaving something at +exp where you reforge to +crit on the HC equivalent).

Once CharDev updates I'm sure we will see.

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Well it's true that some of those item were not included in the upgradable 391 items, however i'd like to point out that i'm quite sure that loot lists are not even close to being finished. Cause if they are then i have to assume that tier 12 items were nothing but an illusion.

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From a quick look at the current heroic loot table i found that useing Uncrushable Belt of Fury and Neckless of Fetishes in the above setup, non reforged it will get us current stats values and reforgeable ratings:

Strength > 5107 (+29 str if the cloack can be upgraded to heroic but i doubt it)

Hit rating 1060 > 8,84%

Exp rating 862 > 28,7 Expertise > 82 rating to reforge

Crit rating 1784 > 9,96 %

Haste rating 895 > 6,99 % > 358 rating to reforge

Mastery rating 1167 > 6,5 Mastery > 465 rating to reforge

This is after my opinion a good guess for a heroic BiS setup, it will be more clear when chardev is updated and we can play around with it in simcraft.

Please correct me if im wrong in some points, but from the informaton i have this is what i could get out of it :)

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From a quick look at the current heroic loot table i found that useing Uncrushable Belt of Fury and Neckless of Fetishes in the above setup, non reforged it will get us current stats values and reforgeable ratings:

Strength > 5107 (+29 str if the cloack can be upgraded to heroic but i doubt it)

Hit rating 1060 > 8,84%

Exp rating 862 > 28,7 Expertise > 82 rating to reforge

Crit rating 1784 > 9,96 %

Haste rating 895 > 6,99 % > 358 rating to reforge

Mastery rating 1167 > 6,5 Mastery > 465 rating to reforge

This is after my opinion a good guess for a heroic BiS setup, it will be more clear when chardev is updated and we can play around with it in simcraft.

Please correct me if im wrong in some points, but from the informaton i have this is what i could get out of it :)

Uncrushable belt of fury is clearly a tank belt, the 378 Cinch of the Flaming Ember has 42 more strength than the 391 Uncrushable belt of fury

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its clearly is, if you look at the socket bonus to.. i just missed that i will adjust it with the 378 Cinch of the Flaming Ember instead until we know more, because currently i cant find any trace of a 391 plate dps belt

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My guess is that the Uncrushable belt of fury will still be BIS for heroic setups due to the extra secondary stats and the large amount that you can reforge to crit.

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My guess is that the Uncrushable belt of fury will still be BIS for heroic setups due to the extra secondary stats and the large amount that you can reforge to crit.

I think Cinch of the Flaming Ember Is much better, below is the 391 version of it.

391 Plate Cinch of the Flaming Ember - Items - Sigrie

+322 Strength vs +240 on the Belt of fury.

It is not however a raid drop.

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Cinch of the Flaming Ember is upgraded from the rep version to the heroic version via the Crystallized Firestones that drop off of heroic bosses, as are Valor items such as Gigantiform Bracers - Items - Sigrie.

On the PTR, the vendor who sells firestone upgraded gear doesn't have any of the rep items, which is why it's thought that they won't actually be in the game when 4.2 goes live

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On the PTR the Crystalized Firestone Vendor only had the trash drops and the relics/thrown weapons. Unless there is a second vendor that i don't know about or it changes in between PTR and Live, you cant upgrade the rep or valor point gear except for the thrown weapon. Its like the heroic trash drop items in T11 where they were put in the game but were unobtainable.

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On the PTR the Crystalized Firestone Vendor only had the trash drops and the relics/thrown weapons. Unless there is a second vendor that i don't know about or it changes in between PTR and Live, you cant upgrade the rep or valor point gear except for the thrown weapon. Its like the heroic trash drop items in T11 where they were put in the game but were unobtainable.

The vendor does have valor gear, just not rep gear

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Checked the vendor again and the only valor items you can upgrade are the relics/thrown weapons. As for HoR I believe it would be better. The proc averages out to more strength than the passive on Kaz'Goroth and Kaz'Goroths crit proc is pretty low. It really should stack up 7 or 8 times. I don't think it was very well thought out when implemented. I will update the list when i can actually get to the wowhead item numbers as either the site is down right now or the hotel internet is terrible.

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H HoR's item number is 65072.

Also, as chardev isn't up-to-date with 4.2, thought using a wowhead comparison could suffice for the time being for gemming/reforging purposes. It's by no means perfect (Some socket bonuses aren't taken into account - helm for example) but you get the general idea of it. Replaced 2nd trinket with HoR here as well as changing the cloak to normal.

TG BiS 4.2

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Uncrushable Belt of Fury(391) vs. Cinch of the Flaming Ember(378)

The Cinch of the Flaming Ember has 42 more STR

Secondary stats:

342 mastery and 153 expertise vs. 230 crit and 133 hit

reforging the Uncrushable's mastery to crit:

206 mastery

153 exp

136 crit

Gemming:

The Uncrushable Belt of Fury needs 2x Bold Inferno Ruby, which adds 80 str. For the Cinch, you could opt for 1x Bold Inferno Ruby and 1x Etched Demonseye, which adds a total of 70 str and 20hit.

Let's assume for simplicity that the exp and hit (both now at 153) are equally important for you to reach the respective caps, so i guess it comes down to the decision if 206 mastery weighs up against 94 crit and 32 str.

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A 5 stack Apparatus will actually give 2540 crit/haste/mastery, making it better than advertized in the tooltip.

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From what I gather the actual benefit of Apparatus is supposed to be 1530, going by what the tooltip states, but it is actually being applied as 2540. If 2540 turns out to be a mistake than is that trinket essentially worthless compared to virtually any trinket from T11?

Also, can someone explain the math behind H HoR still being BiS? Is it simply a matter of there not being any other trinkets that are as good as that?

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Confirmed that the apparatus was granting 2540 crit on normal and so I am assuming this is the same for the heroic version so I added that back. I also changed the belt for SMF since they don't like mastery as much as TG and so the tank belt wont be as good.

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From Sapperwix in the "4.2 Known Issues" thread, regarding the Apparatus of Khaz'goroth's proc:

Some trinkets received in Firelands (Apparatus of Khaz'goroth, Necromantic Focus, Vessel of Acceleration, and Matrix Restabilizer) are displaying incorrect stat values in their buff and item tooltips, the values applied are correct.

So if what everyone has said regarding the tooltip / buff vs. the actual stat change, Blizz is officially confirming it is indeed supposed to be 2540.

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by the way, after some testing with Apparatus of Khaz'goroth raging blow does NOT give you a stack of titanic power which will make getting the initial 5 stacks in a fight really annoying if you want to line up cds early. I really dislike that it allows you to use it with less than the maximum stacks as well. These trinkets are getting more and more annoying with min/max.

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Asuming that crit is our highest stat, Apparatus of Khaz'goroth becomes the "second" Recklessness. You could align Recklessness with the 1st Colossus Strike during Death Wish, and then use Apparatus for the 2nd CS.

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