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With Patch 3.3.5 out on US servers tomorrow and the impending arrival of Ruby Sanctum, has anybody Simmed the Best-In-Slot Lists in regards to replacing [iTEM][The Lady's Brittle Bracers][/iTEM] with [bracers of Fiery Night]? I am assuming that the heroic version would most definitely be BIS as it gives us Crit/Haste/SP and most probably an ilvl increase over [iTEM][The Lady's Brittle Bracers][/iTEM]. Thinking of getting a [iTEM][Loop of the Endless Labyrinth][/iTEM] in place of [iTEM][Ring of Rapid Ascent][/iTEM] to make up for the lost Spell Hit from bracers.

In addition, how does [Charred Twilight Scale] stand up to its ICC predecessors? Would it replace [iTEM][Dislodged Foreign Object][/iTEM] or [iTEM][Phylactery of the Nameless Lich][/iTEM] in Fire 3.3.5 BIS Lists?

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AFAIK the hard-mode loots are unknown.

Changing the Ring to make up for the lost Hitrating of Lady's Brittle Bracers seems a good Idea, but neither normal mode Trinket nor the bracer/ring combo can keep up with the 277 items

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Considering Halion's normal mode loot is the same as LK's normal mode, it's not a stretch to assume a similar jump for his heroic mode. The hard mode loot would normally be virtually identical in stat distribution, with possibly some stats taken out in favor of an extra gem slot.

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This is what i came up for Fire BiS including Ruby Heroic Loot

For Jewelcrafting + Alchemy

Full Raidbuffed and a Demo-Lock with Average 5300 Spellpower

[iTEM]51281[/iTEM]

[iTEM]50724[/iTEM]

[iTEM]51284[/iTEM]

[iTEM]50629[/iTEM]

[iTEM]50613[/iTEM]

[iTEM]51282[/iTEM]

[iTEM]50699[/iTEM]

[iTEM]54582[/iTEM]

[iTEM]51280[/iTEM]

[iTEM]50664[/iTEM]

[iTEM]50398[/iTEM]

[iTEM]50365[/iTEM]

[iTEM]54588[/iTEM]

[iTEM]54583[/iTEM]

[iTEM]50732[/iTEM]

[iTEM]50719[/iTEM]

[iTEM]50684[/iTEM]

Sockets:

Blue Sockets: 8x [iTEM]40133[/iTEM]

Yellow Sockets: 2x [iTEM]40153[/iTEM], 3x [iTEM]40155[/iTEM]

Red Sockets: 3x [iTEM]42144[/iTEM], 4x [iTEM]40152[/iTEM]

Crit Rating: 1669 (70,35%)

Haste Rating: 1096 (44,30%)

Hit Rating: 369 (17,07%)

Spellpower: 4089

Dps: 16061,64

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Morthiras' Best Sets

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Considering correct set bonuses and item proc chances as well as enchanting and tailoring, these are my updated lists for the best fire and arcane sets I came up with for my undead Horde mage:

[TABLE]spell_fire_flamebolt.jpg|Morthiras' Best Fire Set|Talents: 18/53/0|DPS (Rawr): >= 15,241.49

Socket|Item|Gems|Enchant

Head|[iTEM]51281[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-meta.gif|[iTEM]41285[/iTEM]

socket-blue.gif|[iTEM]40133[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+9 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[iTEM]44159[/iTEM]

Neck|[iTEM]50724[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-blue.gif|[iTEM]40133[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|

Shoulder|[iTEM]51284[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-yellow.gif|[iTEM]40153[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[iTEM]44135[/iTEM]

Back|[iTEM]54583[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-red.gif|[iTEM]40113[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Lightweave Embroidery]

Chest|[iTEM]50629[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-red.gif|[iTEM]40113[/iTEM]

socket-blue.gif|[iTEM]40133[/iTEM]

socket-yellow.gif|[iTEM]40153[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+9 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Chest - Powerful Stats]

Wrist|[iTEM]54582[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-red.gif|[iTEM]40152[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Bracers - Superior Spellpower]

Hands|[iTEM]51280[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-blue.gif|[iTEM]40133[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Gloves - Exceptional Spellpower]

Waist|[iTEM]50613[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-blue.gif|[iTEM]40133[/iTEM]

socket-red.gif|[iTEM]40113[/iTEM]

socket-prismatic.gif|[iTEM]40113[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+7 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[iTEM]41611[/iTEM]

Legs|[iTEM]51282[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-blue.gif|[iTEM]40133[/iTEM]

socket-yellow.gif|[iTEM]40153[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+7 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[sanctified Spellthread]

Feet|[iTEM]50699[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-blue.gif|[iTEM]40133[/iTEM]

socket-red.gif|[iTEM]40152[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+7 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Boots - Tuskarr's Vitality]

Finger|[iTEM]50398[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-yellow.gif|[iTEM]40152[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Ring - Greater Spellpower]

Finger|[iTEM]50664[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-blue.gif|[iTEM]40133[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Ring - Greater Spellpower]

Trinket|[iTEM]50365[/iTEM]||

Trinket|[iTEM]54588[/iTEM]||

Main Hand|[iTEM]50732[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-red.gif|[iTEM]40113[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Weapon - Black Magic]

Off Hand|[iTEM]50719[/iTEM]||

Ranged|[iTEM]50684[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-yellow.gif|[iTEM]40152[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|

Summary (Rawr)|[TABLE]Spell Power:|3,812

Hit Rating|367 (16.99%)

Crit Rating:|1,650.55 (69.94%)

Haste Rating:|1,043 (42.55%)[/TABLE]||[/TABLE]

[TABLE]spell_arcane_blast.jpg|Morthiras' Best Arcane Set|Talents: 57/3/11|DPS (Rawr): >= 14,981.91

Socket|Item|Gems|Enchant

Head|[iTEM]51281[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-meta.gif|[iTEM]41285[/iTEM]

socket-blue.gif|[iTEM]40133[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+9 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[iTEM]44159[/iTEM]

Neck|[iTEM]50658[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-yellow.gif|[iTEM]40155[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|

Shoulder|[iTEM]51284[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-yellow.gif|[iTEM]40155[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[iTEM]44135[/iTEM]

Back|[iTEM]54583[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-red.gif|[iTEM]40113[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Lightweave Embroidery]

Chest|[iTEM]51283[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-red.gif|[iTEM]40113[/iTEM]

socket-blue.gif|[iTEM]40133[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+7 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Chest - Powerful Stats]

Wrist|[iTEM]54582[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-red.gif|[iTEM]40113[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Bracers - Superior Spellpower]

Hands|[iTEM]50722[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-yellow.gif|[iTEM]40155[/iTEM]

socket-blue.gif|[iTEM]40133[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+7 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Gloves - Exceptional Spellpower]

Waist|[iTEM]50613[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-blue.gif|[iTEM]40133[/iTEM]

socket-red.gif|[iTEM]40113[/iTEM]

socket-prismatic.gif|[iTEM]40113[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+7 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[iTEM]41611[/iTEM]

Legs|[iTEM]51282[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-blue.gif|[iTEM]40133[/iTEM]

socket-yellow.gif|[iTEM]40155[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+7 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[sanctified Spellthread]

Feet|[iTEM]50699[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-blue.gif|[iTEM]40133[/iTEM]

socket-red.gif|[iTEM]40113[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+7 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Boots - Tuskarr's Vitality]

Finger|[iTEM]50398[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-yellow.gif|[iTEM]40155[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Ring - Greater Spellpower]

Finger|[iTEM]50664[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-blue.gif|[iTEM]40133[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Ring - Greater Spellpower]

Trinket|[iTEM]54588[/iTEM]||

Trinket|[iTEM]50348[/iTEM]||

Main Hand|[iTEM]50732[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-red.gif|[iTEM]40113[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Weapon - Black Magic]

Off Hand|[iTEM]50719[/iTEM]||

Ranged|[iTEM]50684[/iTEM]|[TABLE]socket-yellow.gif|[iTEM]40155[/iTEM]

Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|

Summary (Rawr)|[TABLE]Spell Power:|4,160

Hit Rating|217 (14.27%)

Crit Rating:|1,316.5 (67.37%)

Haste Rating:|1,493 (66.84%)[/TABLE]||[/TABLE]

I'll update this post when new items are discovered or if Rawr starts to tell me something entirely different...

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For Alliance, BiS fire, this changes: Amulet of the Silent Eulogy and Sanctified Bloodmage Robe in their respective slots. While still using 3 veiled Ametrine, switch Tuskar's to Icewalker for the last 12 hit.

If you wanted to keep Tuskarr's then just switch two veiled ametrines to potents and keep the same gear as the horde BiS list above.

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For Alliance, BiS fire, this changes: Amulet of the Silent Eulogy and Sanctified Bloodmage Robe in their respective slots. While still using 3 veiled Ametrine, switch Tuskar's to Icewalker for the last 12 hit.

If you wanted to keep Tuskarr's then just switch two veiled ametrines to potents and keep the same gear.

Thanks for additionally mentioning the differences for Alliance mages. I forgot to mention that I considered my own undead Horde mage only. :)

Also, its not a big deal, but you have a bracer enchant on the gloves.

Fixed that. Thanks.

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I've done some analysis on Charred Twilight Scale, a semi-full ICC clear, around 140 procs for the trinket.

The minimum duration between procs was 50 seconds;

The average duration between procs on boss fights was 53.3seconds for a fire mage.

The data fits a model of 50s ICD and 30% proc chance on spellcast and makes the average uptime for a fight to be 28%.

EDIT: found a few more logs on WoL, I'm quite certain now that the ICD is infact 50s; for affliction warlock the average time to proc it seems to be around 55.6s.

EDIT2: yet another from shadow priest, 50s ICD 53seconds average time between procs;

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