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Hunters: Soloing old instances for fun and profit

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Just killed Beth'Tilac 25hm... first pull -_-

 

Congrats on this; thanks for stopping by my stream to help with the tips; I'll probably keep working at this tonight and try and include a video; strat is the same but the dps requirement is much higher 81.53m vs like 50m

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Xuen down with full stam (893k). You can solo with less stam but with more rez :p

 

Do not forget to dispel Xuen's buff agility, when your pet is going to die, go as far as you can from Xuen, rez pet, fd. (you will not have enough deterrence to stay closed).

 

Crackling Lightning won't kill you, keep moving to avoid Barrage. Spec bm for spirit mend, just to be safe.

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Xuen down with full stam (893k). You can solo with less stam but with more rez :P

 

Do not forget to dispel Xuen's buff agility, when your pet is going to die, go as far as you can from Xuen, rez pet, fd. (you will not have enough deterrence to stay closed).

 

Crackling Lightning won't kill you, keep moving to avoid Barrage. Spec bm for spirit mend, just to be safe.

 

Actually 2x T5 with 20% stat buff + other isle buffs and survival is more than enough for Xuen. No need for stamina gear.

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I agree, but I wanted to do these solo without buff, as for raid solo.

 

20% stats with dps gear give me the same amount of stam as my stam gear. So, yeah sure that's enough -_-

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Nice one Durendil!

 

I've always been curious to try him out myself, what kind of DPS requirment do you think is needed to beat him before the enrage timer? Is it possible or not at all even with BiS gear?

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To get him before the enrage, if you consider 16minutes on the boss, 305K dps is required (although survival here has an advantage since you lose some dps in phases 3 and 4 with all the pet movement). And I don't know what the dps in full heroic gear is under soloing/tenacity pet conditions, but it could be possible. Either way, surviving the enrage is "easy" in theory, but I personally found it so boring that I would sometimes forget to unfeign death at the right time and had to focus to avoid missing too many occasions of refreshing it without getting maced. But seriously, pet can't be damaged when he's in range+world in flames not affected by berserk? I barely believed it when I got through the berserk the first time (quickly deciding to switch pets, but forgetting to aggro the boss first and seing him despawn. After 48 minutes. That's why bosses where you have to outlast the berserk can be frustrating).

The video/strategy is getting uploaded.

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Still working on this without rogue buffs; hopefully soon!

 

Update; Video with no rogue below!

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You didnt solo the boss Shoot.

You had a Rogue in your group for Attackspeed. While the Rogue died after 90seconds, it doesnt mean you solo'd the Boss. The reason you had a Rogue in your group was probably more dps so you could beat the enrage.

Anyway, after watching your video it seems to be possible to solo w/o the help of some other class. When I watched your video I saw alot of rotation/priority mistakes & also alot of (failed) pet disbands. Overall atleast 4, which means you didnt do anything for atleast 20seconds. So there is alot of room for improved.

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I agree, solo means solo, it means you are alone (and solo).

 

If you want someone who helps you without dps the boss, just take a healer, much easier \o/

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I agree, solo means solo, it means you are alone (and solo).

If you want someone who helps you without dps the boss, just take a healer, much easier \o/

Fair enough, as it is not "true" solo a I'll be back at it this week to try it again, as Goldschakal mentioned I make many mistakes and I feel even without any external buffs the strategy is still optimal when executed well as he said. Spirit kings makes Feng seem like Disneyland irregardless take my word for it ;) in my opinion/experiences with both encounters Spirit Kings seems tougher to solo.

No rogues in this video though =) so we have now legitimately done a MoP boss!

 

(Spirit Kings, legit; http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/uhmxzs2ij5qqz8yt/ with logs/video)

509 HP at end >.<

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I'm a little late but...

 

 

WoD changes :
 
Cower has been removed as a pet ability.
 
Distracting Shot has been removed.

 

Well.. fuck.

 

Did Blizzard give us some reasons? I mean, atm new bosses are all immune to our taunt, so it doesn't matter I guess. But cower wtf? Gonna miss that ability.

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They actually mentioned via twitter that they are considering to NOT remove Distracting Shot.

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I'm a little late but...

 

 

 

 

Well.. fuck.

 

Did Blizzard give us some reasons? I mean, atm new bosses are all immune to our taunt, so it doesn't matter I guess. But cower wtf? Gonna miss that ability.

 

I am in the same boat with your thoughts on cower although with Versatility we are going to have all 3 pet spec's worth of talents assuming they aren't removing anything else. So you lose cower but gain bullheaded; roar of sacrifice; + what we already had for tenacity (last stand). Distracting shot I don't care much about as it I don't use it much in the solo'ing I do and I don't find it super useful.

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I don't like as much as you the Versatility talent. (for solo).

 

Roar of sacrifice, we don't care about that, and bullheaded has 3min cd. Cower is just really huge, 45sec cd so op, and very useful for burst damage.

 

And then, Versaitility = bm solo. If for some reason (dps/aoe for example) we have to switch in sv or mm, I don't think I will take this talent.

 

 

I just want to know why Blizzard is removing this ability. I don't see any reason.

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I don't like as much as you the Versatility talent. (for solo).

 

Roar of sacrifice, we don't care about that, and bullheaded has 3min cd. Cower is just really huge, 45sec cd so op, and very useful for burst damage.

 

And then, Versaitility = bm solo. If for some reason (dps/aoe for example) we have to switch in sv or mm, I don't think I will take this talent.

 

 

I just want to know why Blizzard is removing this ability. I don't see any reason.

 

I agree with your thoughts on this; like I said; I wasn't saying that RoS/Bullheaded equally compensate the loss of cower; Cower is really good. If the fight calls for going SV/MM yeah you can't take Versatility because then you won't have a pet to tank so you'll have to opt for one of the other options. I tweeted Celestalon asking for a comment on it; let's see if he responds.

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They added cower-like abilities to some pets. i.e.: Shale Spiders get Solide Shell (50% damage reduction, 60s CD) on top of stats+crit buffs.

 

That's not "cower" like; that's like shell shield that turtles have. http://www.wowhead.com/spell=26064">Shell Shield

or beetles http://www.wowhead.com/spell=90339">Harden Carapace

 

Turtle seems kind of pointless then after this; doesn't give a buff; just keeps shell shield; so you're going to run a shale spider to get the http://www.wowhead.com/spell=160063">Solid Shell + the buff http://www.wowhead.com/spell=90363">Embrace of the Shale Spider for solo'ing unless they change pet abilities around some more.

 

It's also possible some of the tooltips are either incorrect or incorrectly datamined or bugged altogether; http://www.wowhead.com/spell=160057">Thick Hide is one of the Rhino's abilities; so a 120 CD 50% reduction when the other pets have the 60 second? Why? Also the Quillen's new ability http://www.wowhead.com/spell=160049">Stone Armor is weird; couldn't find it on any other pet; seems crappier than any of the 50% 12 second CDs though; but with the Quillen you get buffs as well.

 

Altogether it doesn't seem like losing cower for 1 buff is equal compensation. With solo'ing I generally opt for survivability over damage 90% of the time. Not having cower doesn't sound good; the way they "think" they are compensating sounds even worse.

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With solo'ing I generally opt for survivability over damage 90% of the time

 

This.

 

And that's why, in bm spec, we will keep spirit beast for almost all solo. His spirit mend can be use on himself, so in 70% of the cases it's a better cd-def than turtle/beetle shield (remember that his heal is more powerful if used on himself, and only 30sec cd).

 

For bm solo, we'll keep spirit beast, but without cower. That's a huge nerf imo who can't be compensated by any species ability

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I personally won't comment on the WoD changes before beta starts (I just hope I'll have a key, so I can complain with proof if we get nerfed). I will only congratulate Shoot for the lastest solos.

 

However, now that i'm back, I was planning on organizing a 25-man hunter raid (alliance, europe) since I sincerely believe that a group of skilled hunters can clear non-SOO MoP bosses normal: I've been thinking of strategies for MSV, HoF, ToES and ToT normal for a while, and haven't found a boss that has a mechanic that would make it impossible yet, so it's all about wether we have enough healing (for high-damage bosses, I just hope I can find enough "healers"=hunters with 5 spirit beasts).

 

But how to organize it? I was thinking about using a forum, so do you know a good free forum hoster that's easy to use? Or does anyone has another idea?

 

Edit: forum half-finished

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I personally won't comment on the WoD changes before beta starts (I just hope I'll have a key, so I can complain with proof if we get nerfed). I will only congratulate Shoot for the lastest solos.

 

However, now that i'm back, I was planning on organizing a 25-man hunter raid (alliance, europe) since I sincerely believe that a group of skilled hunters can clear non-SOO MoP bosses normal: I've been thinking of strategies for MSV, HoF, ToES and ToT normal for a while, and haven't found a boss that has a mechanic that would make it impossible yet, so it's all about wether we have enough healing (for high-damage bosses, I just hope I can find enough "healers"=hunters with 5 spirit beasts).

 

But how to organize it? I was thinking about using a forum, so do you know a good free forum hoster that's easy to use? Or does anyone has another idea?

 

Thanks and welcome back; hope finals went well; I would join if I wasn't US. To organize it you might want to try reddit or something like that.

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