Infraction: General Idiocy
Message to User:
LOL YOU SURE ARE!
Aha, I see. Well I've got news for you, nobody calls a Rotation that goes Auto -> Steady -> Steady 3:2 except you and Vasilii. You've even written yourself you have no idea why you call it a 3:2 Rotation here
This is where the fun starts. Firstly after 2.3.2 everybody thought that using the /cast macro universally was the best thing since sliced bread, not just me. Users included CSM, Monco, Trohck and Kurkis (Still the highest DPS WWS poster on this thread) to name but a few. But I suppose they are all wrong as well. You of course disagreed with using 2:1 even back then. One thing that puzzles me no end, when you discussed Kurkis's DPS here http://elitistjerks....92-post944.html you used to call the 2:1 rotation, well 2:1, seamed like a logical thing to do back then so why did you decide to change to our survival rotation to 3:2?
You may ask why I'm even bothered what the hell you call the Auto -> Steady -> Steady rotation. Well the answer is quite simple. People coming to this thread will see your reference to the 3:2 rotation and toddle off to Cheeky's to check out their DPS. Low and behold there is a 3:2 spam macro button modelled by Cheeky. BUT that gives us the BM rotation of exactly what it says on the tin, Auto -> Steady -> Steady -> Auto -> Steady 3:2 and not 2:1.
So lets look at your Incoorect DPS claims for your unhasted rotations and you will see where you are going wrong. CSM advised us of the following:-
When actually modelling the 3:2 BM rotation Cheeky has told us
With the 2:1 rotation, you just fired 4 Steady Shots and 2 Auto Shots in 6.0 seconds.
OH well look ye there then you actually did 8546 damage in 6.0 seconds meaning your DPS using 2:1 is 1424
Compare this with the latency susceptible /castsquence DPS of 1397... that's a pretty solid difference to me.
LOL I'm an idiot, thank you enlightening me about the 2:1 rotation, apologizes for my misunderstanding. However I still disagree with you about the gear recommendations that you made
I have done some modeling in Cheeky's with some interesting results:
0/20/41 Spec (3/3 EW, 2/3 ToTH) (All standard raid buffs, agility elixir)
End game gear set I posted a few pages back
No KC (unrealistic to use in 1:1.5 or 2:1)
2:1 Rotation Manually Modeled
Time to OOM: 200.42
Cycle Time: 3.16
Total Damage = 106,245.03
Total Time = 53.65 seconds
1:1.5 Rotation Manually Modeled
Time to OOM: 130.82
Cycle time: 2.60
Total Damage = 101,444.23
Total Time = 52.00 seconds
Total Damage (adjusted for time difference) = 105,045.24
- Damage is almost identical
- The rotations are both manually hand woven. Using a castsequence for either will drop the DPS dramatically, especially the 2:1 rotation.
- 2:1 will only out dps 1:1.5 with the legendary bow
- 2:1 may still not be realistic, at this time there is no easy way to macro it and handweave is likely (???) more difficult than 1:1.5.
- If we can find a good macro for 2:1, then it may be an ideal end-game rotation with the legendary because it provides a significant time to OOM advantage.
- Using the ashtounge talisman of swiftness (strangely) did not provide any dps benefit over berserkers call or madness of the betrayer with 2:1.
- I did not investigate the use of haste gear with a 2:1 rotation.
Spec (completed unrelated to above)
Lots of questions about talent specs recently. I have changed my opinion from "0/20/41 is always best" after reading a SV guide posted by Alu (a guy who used to post here and operates his own website) His conclusion:
Because most fights (80%+) require movement, target switching, stops in dps, etc.... that the value of MT is diminished. If you cannot stand still and dps and do a perfect rotation, you will not be taking advantage of all your MT procs. I'm starting to come around on this line of thinking, while I agree that an MT spec will out dps any other on a static fight, on movement fights I think a hybrid with barrage is superior. I'm enjoying a hybrid, 25/37ish spec.
Here's the link to the guide its a good read from a very knowledgeable hunter: Alu's SV Guide