Thunderfury: Main hand or Off Hand?
Posted 23 August 2006 - 12:39 PM
I currently use Thunderfury in Main hand and Edge of Chaos in offhand, both of them with crusader enchants on them and BWL/MC plate dps gear.
What im looking for is some number crunching of what would produce the better dps, main hand or offhand. This has in mind that EoC is a much slower weapon but how many procs would I actually lose from TF. Im also a noob at calculating these things, found a spreadsheet earlier but the host seems to have taken it offline.
Also I havent been able to maximise dual wield spec as im a hybrid fury/prot. So whack 15% off the offhand damage. Also this shouldent affect the proc like defensive stance does right?
Gear and spec is in sig (d'oh)
Posted 23 August 2006 - 12:47 PM
Posted 23 August 2006 - 01:07 PM
Kelce is correct, all your yellow attacks can proc Thunderfury, so moving it to offhand significantly reduces its DPS. It still beats out Gressil, Kingsfall, and Claw of The Frost Wyrm, at the cost of significantly higher agro if you push it to the max. That said, it's still one of the best offhands for dps.
Posted 23 August 2006 - 04:43 PM
Let me put it this way, even if you had Gressil to MH, you'd lose significant DPS off-handing TF.
Posted 23 August 2006 - 05:38 PM
PS What happened to the "Heal moz, HEAL MOZ... Seriously heal Moz!" title
Posted 23 August 2006 - 05:58 PM
Posted 23 August 2006 - 06:25 PM
Posted 23 August 2006 - 06:32 PM
I haven't done the math to verify it, so maybe buff levels just aren't high enough yet to make up for the difference in the proc, but it has to be getting close.
Posted 23 August 2006 - 06:55 PM
Yeah, and we have a good 4-5 warriors who have the gear to do the job on a given night depending on schedules/burn-out etc. In general, our warriors are very good -- something that can generally be counted on come raid-time.
Thread hijack: Moz are you a MT in EJ? I say "a" because I'm assuming due to guild size that you have multiple tanks that can/do perform the MT role.
Ravock: It's getting there, but it's still a reasonable margin with the very best gear and buffs. I haven't done the math for rogues, but I don't see a warrior swapping this out to off-hand anytime soon.
Posted 23 August 2006 - 11:10 PM
Posted 24 August 2006 - 05:09 AM
Posted 24 August 2006 - 06:05 AM
Posted 24 August 2006 - 07:15 AM
Posted 24 August 2006 - 11:27 PM
More instants than who? All rogue specials are instant, and a sword rogue generall does nothing but spam SS. Slow main hand weapons are far better for Rogues than fast. Thunderfury can be an exception though because the proc is so good.
And warriors tend to use more instants (virtually every global cooldown)
Posted 24 August 2006 - 11:52 PM
Posted 25 August 2006 - 04:43 AM
If you aren't Alliance, or if your MT's "just suck" you do more damage with the TF in the OH than you do with it in the MH. In the MH when you actually use it to it's full potential, you will get aggro on the majority of fights, which either a) kills you or b) forces you to stand around doing absolutely nothing for a while. I don't think anyone is debating what weapon does the most damage, the debate should be, what weapon combination allows you the most damage. There are a few fights where MH the TF and going all out is fine (and recommended) but on most...no.
DPSing with TF = mass aggro, off-handing it reduces that aggro considerably, but yea dmg decrease it quite a hit. Just offhand it if yer MTs are slacking or w/e ;]
Posted 28 August 2006 - 08:14 PM
Posted 28 August 2006 - 08:18 PM
I've never heard of this before. Does that mean crusader has a double chance to proc as well?
I'd just like to add that another reason why it will proc so much for warriors is that it can proc twice for heroic strikes, once for the autoattack and once for the heroic strike part.
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