Mandatory Specs Pre-Naxx
Posted 30 September 2006 - 09:01 AM
Is requiring guild members to mandatory spec a PvE viable spec worth it? Im not talking about resto-spec'd shamans and druids, Im simply asking is it a big enough change/buff/improvement to the raid to make rogues, hunters, mages & warlock spec so they are "more potent" in raids.
Sure its been decided again and again that PvE spec is better for raids, but thats it. All you can do is raid with this spec. My guild is not hardcore, we only raid 3 days a week and have barely touched AQ40. So I ask, what am I/we supposed to do the rest of the time?
I know it can/could change in Naxx because of time limits on bosses and such but not being in naxx I wouldn't know.
Posted 30 September 2006 - 09:05 AM
Player > Gear > Spec. Especially pre-AQ40, as long as you dont have a retard running around taunting the drakes in BWL toward your raid you really cant go wrong, regardless of spec. Sure it makes things a little easier, but not much.
Posted 30 September 2006 - 10:24 AM
And if holy/disc specced priests and holy/prot paladins can farm, and your raid-specced DPS can't, something is very very wrong.
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Posted 30 September 2006 - 12:57 PM
Posted 30 September 2006 - 01:16 PM
And if you don't feel like reading through the other threads to see this, it also helps to let people bring their alts (that obviously are not pve specced) to lower instances ie. zg/aq20/mc/bwl etc, so they have something to do when they aren't raiding.
Posted 30 September 2006 - 02:22 PM
That said, as you've acknowledged, a PvP-specced DPS class is often worth a fraction of a PvE-specced one, all else being equal. Two combat daggers rogues can do the same damage as three prep-spec or Hemo-spec or whatever rogues in most situations. It's not fair, from a teamwork angle, to have some people freeloading while others carry all the weight. Now, if the shadow priest uses mana oils regularly and pops healing pots and mageblood, he can keep up with his holy/disc brethren who do not. If the Hemo rogue always has Mongoose, Juju, and Firewater in effect, he can probably keep up with the combat dagger rogues who do not. And so forth.
Of course, if everyone is just fine that Joe Stunlock the PvP rogue is outdamaged by half the raid, then whatever, ignore all of the above. But I think the best angle from which to approach it is one of fairness to the other 39 people on the raid: People should remember that no matter the level of progression, they aren't just there to leech epics; they have a responsibility to help earn them.
Posted 30 September 2006 - 02:46 PM
Offspecs definitely should be compensating with consumables, and more importantly (in the case of a shadow specced priest who is slotted in as a healer in raids) NEED to be taking appropriate healing gear. And finally the offspecs need to approach their raid role enthusiastically. Nobody wants to hear the shadow priest or the feral druid constantly bitch about having to heal.
Finally, as you said you're not in a hardcore raiding gear, you only raid 3 days a week. I could perhaps see forcing mandatory specs if you're a cutting edge guild, you're deep into Naxx and trying to squeeze out that extra 5% to get the last few bosses down. I think most reasonable people would respec on their own volition if you were that close and it could make the difference. But for BWL or AQ40? Outside of having the requisite protection tanks, it really doesn't matter. And offspecs are rewarded in AQ40 fairly nicely. Stunlocks are great for Sartura and eyes at C'thun. An extra silence from shadow priests is gold at C'thun -- and heck, we even have druids that drop into bear form and feral charge small eyes->bash when a mage or two was out of place.
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