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  1. Like Water - The Brewmaster's Resource [5.4]

      Which passives, there aren't any that affect mastery unless you're taking Thok's Tail Tip into account, which I'm not.   Base: 5% 12k rating: 12.50% Raid buff: 3.125% Default stagger: 20% BoK stagger: 20%   5+12.5+3.125+20+20=60.625% stagger.  Which means, 15k mastery is worth 20.625% mastery towards stagger. Either way, he was only off by 1%.
  2. Like Water - The Brewmaster's Resource [5.4]

      15k is actually 20.625% stagger. Just a little nitpick :P
  3. Like Water - The Brewmaster's Resource [5.4]

    It's actually shorter than every 6 seconds. With my haste levels (around 41-42%) it's every 3.8 seconds the shield will proc a new one. It's a very powerful ability, and needed to be nerfed as it is/will be.
  4. Like Water - The Brewmaster's Resource [5.4]

    Wasn't EB uptime equalized between 2H and DW in the 5.3 patch?
  5. Paladin Simple Questions

    Our damage without vengeance is pretty abyssal. I've noticed whenever I'm really high on the dmg meters after a boss, it's because I'm spending a lot of it with high vengeance.
  6. [WW] 5.4 -Siege of the Fist

    It makes me super happy in the pants that they're so forward with item proc information like this now. I'll get the sheet hopefully finished up tonight or tomorrow.
  7. [WW] 5.4 -Siege of the Fist

    There's a few new trinkets (about 4-5) from 5.2 that I'm going to be adding to the spreadsheet. Give me a bit to get them in, but I'm pretty sure it won't be totally up to date until SimC and the 5.2 gear are finalized.
  8. Like Water - The Brewmaster's Resource [5.4]

    Using the math from Pisshands (serious, this is a great name!) in the previous page or two, I came up with this google document. The math should match the math on the previous two pages as far as CPM. If anything, the numbers in the google.doc don't round up to the nearest hundredth of a decimal. Adjust the green boxes, and it shows chi per minute with hit/exp/haste choice options. Energy/Minute
  9. Like Water - The Brewmaster's Resource [5.4]

    Some numbers using your spreadsheet: Ascension => Power Strikes at: Keg Smash/Expel Harm at 8/15 cd 7.5% hit/expertise 10007 haste rating 7.5% hit 15% expertise 9105 haste rating Keg Smash/Expel harm at 8.25/25 CD 7.5% hit/expertise 9816 haste rating 7.5% hit 15% expertise 9144 haste rating Anything over those ratings, according to your spreadsheet makes Ascension better than Power Strikes for generating the most chi per min.
  10. [WW] 5.4 -Siege of the Fist

    The buff says "Increases the melee and ranged attack speed", not "increases haste by 10%". One doesn't do much, the other increases our energy regen.
  11. [WW] 5.4 -Siege of the Fist

    Choose Yes. It should then popup a box that says "Removed Feature: View from /xl/worksheets/sheet1.xml part". Click "Close" Then you should get an option button at the top for "Editing", or something similar to that. Click that, then choose to turn on macros if that button appears. After that, I don't see anything else that would cause any issues. The sheet then performs properly, as it does in 2007. The primary reason I used 2007 is because that's what's on my personal computer and the computer I use at work. I think it's the most pirated version of it. Perhaps I'll double check and re-write it for 2010, see if it has any comparability issues in 2007.
  12. Like Water - The Brewmaster's Resource [5.4]

    From the Brewmaster Basic Discussion thread: Apparently the 1600% was a tooltip error, and we've only had to do 800% the entire time. They're testing 1600% on the PTR.
  13. [WW] 5.4 -Siege of the Fist

    Can you do some more testing and figure out the rough distance before it copies everything?
  14. [WW] 5.4 -Siege of the Fist

    Updated the trinket spreadsheet. I apparently forgot to put the Landslide 5.1 valor trinkets upgraded options in there. Current version is 1.02, check signature for the updated one. As soon as we get more information on any PTR options, I'll be sure to add those asap.
  15. WHAT'S THAT MOD???

    What's the swing timer addon that shows the boss and add's swing?