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  1. Rogue Simple Questions

    We all know that when melee attacks from the front, we miss an extra 7.5% of our swings, because of parries. But what is the exact dps loss ?   Quick and easy answer would be 7.5% swings missed means 7.5% dps loss. But I am sure that it is not so simple. E.g. suppose when we have 30% crit for double damage, and 70% normal hits. Getting an additional 7.5% parry would mean we now have 30% critical hits and 62.5% normal hits. That would be a 5.77% dps loss. But getting more misses will also impact uptimes of our trinket procs, weapon enchant, maybe even deadly poison will fall off more often. It's too complicated for napkin math.   Anyone every done the real math for a more precise answer ?   Edit: Fatjimmy was so kind to run a simulation with simcraft with my gear. He said my theoretical dps would go down from 401931 to 356338. Which is rougly a 11.5% dps loss. This would still be with Killing Spree. If I couldn't do Killing Spree at all, my dps while attacking from the front would go down to 314807. Which is a 22% dps loss.
  2. Thread of Ultimate Stupidity

    Morningstar is loot from the Ultraxion fight. Ultraxion is (according to many) the 2nd easiest heroic boss in Dragon Soul (after Morchok). As the Ultraxion fight is mostly a dps race, and not an execution or strategy fight, while the Power of the Aspects increase over time, the fight becomes easier faster than other heroic fights. The Morningstar could become available a lot more rogues than you would expect.
  3. Thread of Ultimate Stupidity

    Deleted. Didn't notice the new sticky yet: http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t87216-blue_post_thread/
  4. Thread of Ultimate Stupidity

    Great, another forum where I can't delete my own posts. It seems Shadowmourne is a 2-hander axe. No concern of us.
  5. Thread of Ultimate Stupidity

    I'm not 100% sure this is the correct thread to post my suggestion. But starting a new thread will certainly get my head cut off. And this thread has moved to discussing the future of different talent trees for pve dps. The problem is that rogue's pve dps is too low. As stated by Ghostcrawler, Blizzard would like to increase rogue pve dps. But they feel they can't as rogues already do too much burst damage in pvp. So the question is: how do we improve longterm pve dps, without increasing burst dps and without increasing dps in pvp. I think one answer is to let a rogue's raid dps depend on the fact that he is in a raid. Or in a party. HAT tries to do this, but the result is too unpredictable, and too bursty, to be fun to play. Or to uncontrollable to not let HAT go through the roof. I have another suggestion. How about a talent like this: New talent: Cooperation Rank: 0/5 Requires 45 points in Combat Talents The beneficial effects from buffs and debuffs by your party and raid members will be increased by 10/20/30/40/50%. What does this mean ? Suppose you have a palading who gives you Greater Blessing of Might. That gives you normally 550 attack power. Now if you have 5/5 Cooperation, then GBoM will give you 825 attackpower (= 550 * 150%). Suppose a warrior put 5x Sunder Armor on a boss. That normally reduces armor by 3925. With 5/5 Cooperation, a rogue would experience a 5837 armor reduction. Etc. You get the picture. If I remember correctly, in TBC my rogue got about a 75% dps increase when fully raid buffed. Some of that was because of food and flask, but the majority of that extra damage was because of raid buffs and boss debuffs. Suppose the raid buffs were giving me a 50% dps increase. With 5/5 Cooperation that would be a 75% dps increase. Suppose my rogue does 1500 dps solo. With raid buffs and food/flask, that would be 2625 dps. With 5/5 Cooperation that would increase to 3000 dps. An overall 14% increase in raid dps. If this is deemed too much, or not enough, the exact results can be tweaked by making the talent do a few less or more % of buff increase. Some of these buffs are flat increases (like BoMight). Therefor I think the increase in dps will not scale at full speed with gear. This talent can give a nice dps increase, but won't grow exponentially and piss off other classes. Why do I like this suggestion ? It increases rogues's raid pve dps, without increasing pvp dps. In arenas you have a limited number of party members (especially in 2vs2 or 3vs3), so this new talent in the Combat tree would not suddenly make Combat the new pvp spec. There's no reason for pvp players to complain about this new talent. In solo pve, we have no party buffs, so the challenge of solo content would not be impacted. Same for solo "world pvp" (aka ganking). In battlegrounds, people hardly buff each other, so I don't think it will impact BGs. And remember, this new talent should be very deep into the Combat talent tree. And as long as Combat is not a viable pvp spec, the new increased pve dps should not bother any pvp players.