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  1. Warlords Mechanic Testing / Verification

    20. http://i.imgur.com/Vy5flCK.jpg   Shadow Reflection applies a 16 second debuff on the target. During the first 8 second the shadow just stands there watching your abilities, adn then during the remaning 8 seconds the copy performs the same actions you did during the first 8 seconds.   The copied abilities performed by the Shadow Reflection use new rolls to determine damage, hit, crit, multistrike etc. (Green outline) Shadow Reflection also copies Multistrikes off of white hits (again with new rolls) (Purple outline). Bonus: Shadow Reflection does copy Killing Spree, if there was any doubt it would act in a different way compared to other abilities. (Blue outline)
  2. Thread of Ultimate Stupidity

    Saying Howling Blast is strong for just Magmaw is incredibly short sighted. What about Maloriak and Cho'gall? Or to a lesser extent Halfus (whelp cage) and Conclave of Wind (Anshal adds)? Not to mention any future fights which would feature AoE requirements. Howling Blast was simply hitting too hard per target considering it's range and cooldown/resource. I'm surprised it stuck around for this long, to be honest.
  3. Thread of Ultimate Stupidity

    I have done some personal testing with HWT in the past. Simulators show HDC+NWFS as roughly interchangable with HDC+HWT. Actual number testing in raids favors HDC+NWFS, not considering luck between encounters. Point is that HWT isn't an amazing trinket for us, and doesn't compare to DBW/TAiaJ (especially their heroic counterparts) if you have HDC/HDV. You're not likely to replace HDC/HDV until you get the RS25 trinket.
  4. Thread of Ultimate Stupidity

    Hm, I was certain that weapons in the 1.x speed range had a different modifier than weapons in 2.x speed range. Perhaps that changed, or my memory has just taken a hit.
  5. Thread of Ultimate Stupidity

    Your math is still flawed. You've taken average weapon damage, slapped on AP DPS increase and called the result average DPS. Not to mention that it doesn't include strike damage or slow/fast weapon modifiers at all. I'll give you a simple overview of how it works. If we take heroic LHS and heroic CotD from previous post, they both have 216 DPS. No matter what AP value you give out, it will increase both weapons by the same amount, and the DPS produced will be the same from both weapons if you only look at auto attacks. Moving on to instant attacks, they take your average damage and adds the AP DPS multiplied by a normalized value depending on what weapon you use. The normalized value for onehand weapons is 2.4, for daggers it's 1.7 and for twohanded weapons it's 3.3. The average damage of LHS is 325, the average damage of CotD is 563. SO again, no matter what AP value you set in, the AP value affects both weapons the same (AWD + (AP/14)*2.4), and you can see straight from average weapon damage that the slower CotD will do mroe damage. The only mechanic that would favor fast weapons is flat percent proc chances, such as Rogue poisons or the Rogue talent Combat Potency. Since DW frost has no mechanics that use flat percentage proc chances from white attacks, there is no reason to use a fast weapon. However, all our strikes use both weapons, so we benefit greatly from using two slow weapons for that. To summarize, slow weapons are better than fast weapons because they have the same white damage, but slow weapons have better strike damage.