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  1. What is the best way to share results from a simcraft simulation? Copy and paste the xml or csv straight into your post? Upload them somewhere as a file and provide a link? Upload screenshots of the results? Upload the html file itself into google drive and provide a download link?
  2. Warrior: Simple Questions/Simple Answers

    For SMF, if you have BT available and a Slam proc available, is it better to use slam first then continue with BT? This situation often arises when I hit BT (and get a blood surge proc) then I hit CS, and now I have the choice to slam or hit BT again. Lastly, regarding hit rating over the yellow cap, I have seen many answers for TG stating that in most boss scenarios mastery will come out on top, but is that also true for SMF? Or is the inflection point where mastery surpasses hit over the yellow cap a little further away.
  3. Thread of Ultimate Stupidity

    I think you guys are trying to debunk the presence switching with the wrong approach. DW frost uses FP because it doesn't have enough globals to fill in UP. So if you were to start in UP there would come a time where you would be below 32 RP and have all runes on CD. This is when you would want to change to FP; at the worst you would lose up to 31 RP. You would not want to change to FP simply after 4 globals, you still the runic power resource available for FS. Depending on RNG you can acquire enough globals for UP for much longer than 4 seconds. I don't have the math with me but you can't compare 4 seconds + 1 to 6 seconds. It would be more like 30 seconds + 1 to 45 seconds. This idea came to me a long time ago in the 4.0 patch in WotLK and I sort of gave up on it. It seemed that when I did transition from UP to FP, since I was left with no resources while leaving UP, and continuing DPS in FP seemed utterly slow and sluggish. I think UP just sucks up too many resources for DW frost, but adding ERW to mix could help, but to whether use ERW while still in UP or to use it after the switch to FP in order to jump start your FP rotation, I really don't know which is better. [edit] I'm pretty sure the GCD for switching presences is actually 1 second, so this would favor starting in UP slightly more than what you thought before, since you only lose 1 second for switching presences.
  4. In response to Uther's claim that there must be a Lich King or else Azeroth would be overrun, I thought he was referring to the fact that there is still a part of old Arthas that is somehow holding back the scourge in some small way. I think this old Arthas is something Jaina is so determined to find out as well.
  5. Thread of Ultimate Stupidity

    There really isn't a whole lot we can do to help you do much better. If you post us a log of some sort with the other DK's in it as well that would give us more to work with. Training dummies should never be used for dps comparisons of any sort, only used to practice/analyze rotations. regarding your questions: 1) the 10 str/15 stamina is better (I uploaded your profile into Rawr!) but by only 3dps, but keep in mind Rawr! and other simulators help but aren't the end all solution to everything. 3 DPS is so minuscule you shouldn't even spend money/badges/honor to get it replaced now. 2) Dropping 4pc T8 for 2pc T9 is hard to tell. For you I swapped your valorous shoulders with the Triumph version (one that requires token + badges) and it showed your DPS dropping by 7. Once again thats really small. But the best option is to wait until you get the 4pc T9 which is a significant upgrade. Ending notes, if the other DK's are the same spec as you then I would suggest using tools like recount and analyze that after each attempt/fight. Look for things like this: -how many obliterates/death coils/etc did I cast? how many did he cast? Did I spend time running around? how can I shorten that? -how hard did they hit for? Were there times during the fight that I could have been in a type of damage power up? -and lastly, if you are like me and switch DPS specs inbetween fights...Did I refresh blood presence?