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    • Site Maintenance (Updated 11-12-15)   10/01/15

      Site has been updated to IPS as of 12 November Known Issues So Far: Old wowhead "item" tags are depricated. They may be re-added to fix some issues with older guides, but for most part it's better to just use the modern wowhead.js which auto parses actual wowhead links automatically into tooltips/names. Just post wowhead links in guides and the js will do the rest. You don't need a special BB code for items. Old article links will be broken do to IPS 4 changing url path to remove some pointless "/_/" directory. The articles are still there and can be found in guides menu. You just may not be able to click links from any threads linking to them without editing out the "/_/" part of url. I'll fix most of this little by little when more important stuff is taken care of. External links/google search results may run into same problem. That will just rely on waiting for google to reindex new paths. After you login, you may be thrown to an error page saying page cannot be found if you logged in from the forum index. Harmless though. Just click "forums" and you'll get forum index since redirect after login is busted. The benefactors bar seems to hang/timeout sometimes.


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  1. ShadowCraft for Mists of Pandaria

    I hesitate to ask this question at this point, as I can't imagine that it hasn't already been answered.  But I searched back 8 pages, and all I can find is the same question in post #496, and from what i could see an answer wasn't provided, so I'm going to hold my breath and hope for the best with this one. :)   Simply put, shadowcraft tells me my 2pc bonus provides me with a -15 energy cost (I'm assassination).  My tool tip says -6, and some quick testing on the dummy confirms that it is indeed only a 6 energy cost reduction.    Therefore I have to ask if shadowcraft is overstating the energy cost reduction, and therefore the ep value of crit.  Its telling me that crit is now my best secondary stat, but if that's based on an assumed 15 energy cost reduction then that probably is not correct.   Again, I apologize if this is answered somewhere else.   Thanks for any and all help with this.
  2. Assassination from the Mists

    Oddly enough (perhaps), Shadowcraft is still advising me to use Ambush as my opener, citing a 966 dps increase over using Mutilate. Not sure why, although I assume that in my admittedly ho-hum gear Ambush is still hitting harder than mutilate to the extent that the guaranteed extra damage outweighs the value of the chance of getting an additional dispatch or combo point from mutilate. Naturally, I also use mutilate when for some reason I'm not behind the boss, or if there's even any doubt that I won't be able to use Ambush due to positioning issues.
  3. ShadowCraft for Mists of Pandaria

    I jumped onto Shadowcraft today for the first time since 5.2. For some reason it will not return a dps number nor is it showing stat weights. 5.2 bug or is there something i need to do? As always, any and all help sincerely appreciated.
  4. Assassination from the Mists

    Actually forgot to mention above that it's 470% of MH plus 3516 as opposed to (200% MH + 200% OH/2) plus (535 x 2), at least in my current gear. Even with the 30% blindside chance, I don't see how mutilate beats ambush as an opener. As far as cp generation goes, they both give you two cp's. Yes, Mutilate gives you a slightly higher chance to get that third cp, but the slightly increased chance doesn't seem to justify the loss in guaranteed damage. Mind you, I'm not saying it's a huge difference, just that according to wot is writ on the tooltip, Ambush should come out a bit ahead. As always, I'm looking forward to seeing this worked out by better mathematical minds than my own.
  5. Assassination from the Mists

    Even a 3 cp Rupture does more damage than Garotte, so it seems to me it should be our bleed of choice, since we can't get VW from both now. And Ambush hits harder than Mutilate (at least for Assassination) since 470% of MH is better than 200% MH + 200% OH/2 (don't forget about the OH penalty). So my open goes like: Shadowstep>Ambush>S&D>Mutilate>Rupture, etc., with Dispatch getting worked in when possible. If there's a better way, I'm always eager to hear it. :)
  6. Thread of Ultimate Stupidity

    edit: moved to more appropriate thread. Would have deleted if I knew how. :)
  7. Thread of Ultimate Stupidity

    "Keep in mind that FoK it self hardly does any damage; it’s the poisons that are easily applied from your throwing and melee weapons (via Vile Poisons) that do all the damage. This means that it does take several FoKs before your DP stacks up to 5 so that you can proc substantial IP damage from your MH" What I do to maximize my FoK damage is to have two 2.6 speed weapons in my bags, and in fights where I know I'll be doing mainly FoK (e.g. early trash pulls in ICC), I'll equip them (a macro makes this a lot easier obviously). These weapons (along with my throwing weapon) have IP on them. Due to the slow speed of the weapons, the IP procs significantly more often than it would with daggers. So rather than having to wait for DP to reach five stacks, instead I'm proccing IP from three weapons right away and doing noticeably more aoe dps than I ever did with daggers.
  8. Thread of Ultimate Stupidity

    I think you may be missing the thrust of my question, assuming your post was addressed to me (which it may not have been). My confusion lies in that in the case of the red and yellow sockets, two different gems with two different ep ratings are shown as options. In the case of the blue socket, however, the same gem is listed twice. So I simply wanted to know if this is intentional. Of course it's entirely possible that I'm missing something obvious (wouldn't be the first time). Again, thanks for any and all help. Very nice guide, and much appreciated.
  9. Thread of Ultimate Stupidity

    Always nice to get the attention of the boss. :) Yes, I realize this is the sort of question you guys hate, which is why I did everything I could to find the answer myself. When the smoke started coming out of my computer, I decided to give up, get brave, and risk asking the question. I genuinely appreciate your taking the time to point me in the right direction. I think I can take it from here. :)