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      Welcome to the Elitist Jerks forums, a WoW discussion forum targeted towards topics regarding high-end raiding and analysis of game mechanics. We ask you to take a few minutes to read the following before making use of these forums.   First, a point of clarification. The name of these forums is not intended ironically; we have high standards for the discussion that occurs herein, and we're quite unapologetic about it. If you feel our rules are stupid or arbitrary, we don't really care. If you don't wish to follow them, you're welcome to return to the official Blizzard forums.   Following is a brief listing of our forum rules; note that it is by no means exhaustive, as in our experience people are quite innovative in finding new ways to be stupid. These are simply a set of guidelines to get you started in the right direction. If you follow them, you will generally do fine here; however, if you concoct some creative new form of stupidity, our moderators feel no need to restrain themselves in letting you know. All posters are to make an effort to communicate clearly. In particular, all posts should be made in a reasonable approximation of proper English. We realize that a significant number of you are not native speakers, and we do not expect perfection: merely effort. Please obey basic rules of capitalization and punctuation, avoid chatroom abbreviations ("lol", "imo", "u", and the like), and pay at least minimal attention to sentence and paragraph structure. This includes not starting a new paragraph for each sentence. All opinions should be stated as succinctly as possible. Do not make multiple consecutive posts; rather, multi-quote and include all your ideas in a single post. Do not quote huge blocks of text to add a short reply; instead, quote only what you need to to make your point. 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  1. @Hirgux: Assuming survival attempt for solo onyxia for the aoe for the whelps, if Misdirect alone fails to pick up the full whelp spawn, try pre-laying explosive on one whelp cave's mouth, snake on the other, MD before any eggs hatch, quickly Multishot each pack once to ensure both are safely serpent spread misdirecting to pet, then follow through by feigning death, any adds missed by the massive aoe misdirect tag should default to pet aggro solely based on it being the only viable target on the threat table for their proximity aggression. Also, times like these truly are a favorite for the Cardboard Assassin belt tinker or in theory a Target dummy type engineer gadget. If you're also a Leatherworker like myself, Caverns of Time honored reputation nets a pattern for still un-level capped Drums of Panic for a extremely short duration 5 target aoe fear similar to Psychic Scream, but 2 second duration and target limitation make this extremely situational at best, given that any engineer grenades (but not the cataclysm bolt gun) will also share its cooldown. And traditional: All else fails, kite! Hopefully not duplication: Use of camoflauge mechanic in the start of a semi-viable solo strategy to hunter farm chaos orb drops: Heroic Blackrock Caverns is "gated" only in the sense that there are obviously currently impassable masses of the evolved (read: shadowstrike using) adds. Why can a hunter bypass them easily? The logic is simple, but untested post-4.1... Camoflauge is an aggression-triggering radius reduction to effective zero rather than a true "Stealth" effect while moving, negating the benefit of these or many other (ancient core hounds confirmed also) "stealth sight" possessed npc's to fail to trigger, assuming you don't acutally step on the toes of one. For this example, while under camoflauge's effect, simply jump onto and run along both sections left-hand guardrails. In the poorly planned event of an unexpected add aggression, feign death, then simply wait for camoflauge to come off cooldown, and use the camo cast as your feign-breaking action. You can literally have an add standing on your character's feigning model reset and fail to re-triggger by doing this. Note: some, especially older or named, also rarely certain elite or higher npc's will not ever fail to resist feign death or reset. EVER. Kind of like the way you're still a viable caustic slime target for chimaeron while feigned, among other things like most targeted boss ablities. In the example at hand of Heroic Blackrock Caverns: since a minimum Karsh Steelbreaker kill is required to trigger the Raz event for the elites at the final boss, currently use this mostly for bad pugs who fail to chains or beam bosses and/or save time for guildmates, any player arriving in Karsh Steelbreaker's room will trigger the activation of the teleport to the entrance as if Corla had been defeated, and killing him while skipping Beauty has yet to fail the scripted clearing of the elites gating Ascendant Lord Obsidious
  2. [Cataclysm] 4.3 Marksmanship Guide

    Pre-4.1 a well known trick used when available was the fact that a hardcast Aimed shot (not talent proc for instant) that had a delayed "Fire!" proc mid-cast would not consume focus, but also not consume the proc. This is now fixed post 4.1, tanstaafl (there ain't no such thing as a free lunch for non-heinlein fans) edit: behavior is dating to older patch of long past, regarding greater than tooltip maximum SrS duration by means of non-clipping added to CS refreshing. Thanks Tobin for the correction. Likewise, gearing availabilty has shifted with the addition of crafted sockets in gear (waist in particular) as well as Al'akir's updated loot tables including random enchant neckpieces and cloaks, extending our potential pool in terms of stat balancing. Will edit mention of drops if I overlooked in the 4.1 guide updating, and request confirmation of "free" aimed behavior changed from pre-4.1, my server is not very theory or math oriented with notable exceptions.