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      Welcome to the Elitist Jerks forums, a WoW discussion forum targeted towards topics regarding high-end raiding and analysis of game mechanics. We ask you to take a few minutes to read the following before making use of these forums.   First, a point of clarification. The name of these forums is not intended ironically; we have high standards for the discussion that occurs herein, and we're quite unapologetic about it. If you feel our rules are stupid or arbitrary, we don't really care. If you don't wish to follow them, you're welcome to return to the official Blizzard forums.   Following is a brief listing of our forum rules; note that it is by no means exhaustive, as in our experience people are quite innovative in finding new ways to be stupid. These are simply a set of guidelines to get you started in the right direction. If you follow them, you will generally do fine here; however, if you concoct some creative new form of stupidity, our moderators feel no need to restrain themselves in letting you know. All posters are to make an effort to communicate clearly. In particular, all posts should be made in a reasonable approximation of proper English. We realize that a significant number of you are not native speakers, and we do not expect perfection: merely effort. Please obey basic rules of capitalization and punctuation, avoid chatroom abbreviations ("lol", "imo", "u", and the like), and pay at least minimal attention to sentence and paragraph structure. This includes not starting a new paragraph for each sentence. All opinions should be stated as succinctly as possible. Do not make multiple consecutive posts; rather, multi-quote and include all your ideas in a single post. Do not quote huge blocks of text to add a short reply; instead, quote only what you need to to make your point. 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    • Site Maintenance (Updated 11-12-15)   10/01/15

      Site has been updated to IPS as of 12 November Known Issues So Far: Old wowhead "item" tags are depricated. They may be re-added to fix some issues with older guides, but for most part it's better to just use the modern wowhead.js which auto parses actual wowhead links automatically into tooltips/names. Just post wowhead links in guides and the js will do the rest. You don't need a special BB code for items. Old article links will be broken do to IPS 4 changing url path to remove some pointless "/_/" directory. The articles are still there and can be found in guides menu. You just may not be able to click links from any threads linking to them without editing out the "/_/" part of url. I'll fix most of this little by little when more important stuff is taken care of. External links/google search results may run into same problem. That will just rely on waiting for google to reindex new paths. After you login, you may be thrown to an error page saying page cannot be found if you logged in from the forum index. Harmless though. Just click "forums" and you'll get forum index since redirect after login is busted. The benefactors bar seems to hang/timeout sometimes.


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  • Character Name Korab
  • Guild Talented
  • Guild URL http://talentedguild.com/
  • Alternate Characters Hunter(85) I play regularly, and a healbot Shaman(80).
  1. Warlords of Draenor rogue discussion

    Google "icyveins" for decent, updated, starter class guides, "Need to Know" is a good, flexible addon that makes buff timers and procs highly visible.
  2. ShadowCraft for Warlords of Draenor

    Having the same issue - can't import current armor set from the armory with Shadowcraft using both IE and Chrome. So ran a test last night, downloading Simulationcraft.   Simulation craft successfully DL'd Korab's armor, logged back in and changed armor, and Simulationcraft got the changed armor correct as well. Shadowcraft did not get any of the armor either time. It kept the setup previously used.   So I wonder if the two 'Crafts are using different technology? Or if something persistent on my computers is causing an issue and needs to be cleared?    
  3. Rogue Simple Questions

    The reforge should bring your Expertise down close to 7.5%, perhaps slightly below, and put stat points in your best stat(s).  Trust Shadowcraft - optimizing is more complicated than loading Mastery. The DPS results showed you that.
  4. Assassination from the Mists

    I'd suggest you have Shadowcraft auto-reforge, then use Shadwocraft again manually reforging according to AMR's prescription. Compare the DPS, then decide.   My own experience is there isn't much difference, but YMMV.. You may prefer or play one build better than the other.
  5. [5.4 Combat] I'm Not Dead Yet

    . . . 2 pts haste > 1 point AGI > 1 pt Haste > etc
  6. ShadowCraft for Mists of Pandaria

    Shadowcraft reforges based on the ranking of your stats just before you press reforge. If the ranking changes as a result of the reforge, and you reforge again, the results will be different.   I usually choose the higher of the reforgings, and then manually reforge one piece at a time to the new best stat until the other stat(s) begin to approach it in value. DPS climbs slowly each time and I've gotten as close to max DPS as matters.
  7. [5.4 Combat] I'm Not Dead Yet

    The first post in this thread links to an "Article" that contains the rotation. Here's a direct pointer: http://forums.elitistjerks.com/index.php?/page/articles.html/_/world-of-warcraft/rogue/54-combat-im-not-dead-yet-r86#Combat_and_Rotation
  8. ShadowCraft for Mists of Pandaria

    I'd (sort of) second Onders' advice, but change the method. Hit autoreforge, then manually reforge one piece from whatever your new lowest stat is into the highest stat. The first couple of times you'll get an increase in dps, and then at some point the ranking of your stats will change. Continue, using the new stat priorities. Eventually the dps changes will get far too small to matter.
  9. Rogue Simple Questions

    Go to Control Panel/Options/Default Thread Age Cutoff to change this behavior.
  10. ShadowCraft for Mists of Pandaria

    Because Haste is 0.2 EP better for you than Mastery and the Strikes bracer has more total stats. 637 Haste (829EP) + 663 Crit (772EP) > 969 Mastery (1125EP) by ~500 EP.
  11. Thread of Ultimate Stupidity

    If you are asking how to make a macro so your rotation is a one-button push, you can't. Anything that triggers a GCD effectively stops the macro from proceeding any further. ETA In the future, please use the "Simple Questions" thread to ask these general questions.
  12. ShadowCraft for Mists of Pandaria

    Just to note, Wowreforge is not picking up equipment upgrades - at least not mine.
  13. ShadowCraft for Mists of Pandaria

    Have what may be the same problem using IE9, ie, some changes (including the initial load of my character) do not trigger a recalc. Found I could trigger a recalc almost 100% by making a meaningless spec change, ie, Shadowstep to something else, next time back to Shadowstep again. Google Chrome does not exhibit this problem for me.
  14. Rogue Simple Questions

    I use the "Need to Know" (NTK) add-on to track and display the time remaining on Envenom. I also use it to track Rupture and other key rogue buffs, debuffs, CDs. Highly recommended you take a look at it, via Curse. For me, the energy pooled before Envenom depends on what else is going on at the moment, but generally as much as I can without subsequently capping energy. NTK gives me a good snapshot picture of overall status . . . whether it'll be a rupture or SND next, how many CPs are in Anticipation, etc. On almost all fights I'll delay a few seconds to make sure I'm loaded before using SB. The exception would obviously be when delay would cause me to lose a CD during a fight. Getting max damage done during SB is more important to me than pooling for the next set of moves. Once SB is done, back to the normal pooling. I'll leave the last two questions for those who know those areas well.