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      Site has been updated to IPS as of 12 November Known Issues So Far: Old wowhead "item" tags are depricated. They may be re-added to fix some issues with older guides, but for most part it's better to just use the modern wowhead.js which auto parses actual wowhead links automatically into tooltips/names. Just post wowhead links in guides and the js will do the rest. You don't need a special BB code for items. Old article links will be broken do to IPS 4 changing url path to remove some pointless "/_/" directory. The articles are still there and can be found in guides menu. You just may not be able to click links from any threads linking to them without editing out the "/_/" part of url. I'll fix most of this little by little when more important stuff is taken care of. External links/google search results may run into same problem. That will just rely on waiting for google to reindex new paths. After you login, you may be thrown to an error page saying page cannot be found if you logged in from the forum index. Harmless though. Just click "forums" and you'll get forum index since redirect after login is busted. The benefactors bar seems to hang/timeout sometimes.


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  1. Rogue Simple Questions

    Give Shadowcraft a try.  It's given me - and many others here - plenty of information that results in a high-performing rogue.
  2. ShadowCraft for Mists of Pandaria

    For that to make sense 2exp would need to be > 1agi... is it?
  3. If it's all or nothing then I guess we're back to the beginning: is it worth it to maintain or not given that these two stats/mechanics are relegated to be more fight-specific?  While I am a programmer (to an extent), I haven't looked at the source code (because I don't know that language), so I don't know what the implications of keeping it in are.  If you think it's worth it to maintain Hit in order to keep in Parry, then keep it in.  If not, we the users can simply make adjustments to the output of the calculations for whichever fights will need either mechanic (not that I know what those adjustments might be - I'm not nearly as hardcore as many readers here).
  4. Ah, yes, but if you're modeling a Patchwerk-style fight (as you stated previously), then you do not need to worry about parry.  By leaving in parry, you're coding for the individual fight instead of for the ideal stats in the Patchwerk model.  By delving into Parry (and, fairly, lesser Hit), you're heading towards a simulator instead of a stats calculator.
  5. ShadowCraft for Mists of Pandaria

    I can't remember the email addresses posted on the site, so I'm posting here.  Shadowcraft is apparently down - Internal Server Error (500).
  6. ShadowCraft for Mists of Pandaria

    It's optimized for larger screen resolutions, so it doesn't allow for scrolling or scaling, really.  It doesn't work on iPhone either.
  7. ShadowCraft for Mists of Pandaria

    Shadowcraft is a tool to calculate EP values, not necessarily DPS (meaning that the DPS estimate may not be 100% correct).  Whereas AMR is a tool that takes static EP values and calculates DPS but defaults to a "pre-set" set of values for each class-spec.  So, once you put the gear in the way you want it in SC (including running the Reforger), then take the EP values from SC and enter them into AMR's custom entry.  I can't speak which gear set would be best, but the DPS calculations for both systems should be within a few hundred DPS of each other for each gear set (or, at least, it has been for me this entire expansion).  If SC toggles between 2 reforge suggestions, AMR is usually somewhere in between as far as calculated DPS goes.
  8. Assassination from the Mists

    The gems are worth 320 each but they replace gems that are worth 160, so the sum of the differences is 320.
  9. Rogue Simple Questions

    Whenever a secondary stat is greater than half of agility (also say, for example: 2haste > 1agi), SC will recommend the secondary stat. Your haste, pre re-gem, is 2.054 and your agi is 2.785, so that's way more than half of agility. Even after the re-gem, when haste drops to about 1.8, you still well over half. As has been said many times in various threads in this forum, your mileage may vary - the haste focus may work better for you, or may not.
  10. Assassination from the Mists

    Simply trying those options in ShadowCraft is going to be way easier and more accurate than doing any sort of napkin math. Just put those changes in and see where your DPS goes. Generally, though, whatever the gem and reforge optimizers tell you is going to be the best or very close to it for most situations.
  11. Thread of Ultimate Stupidity

    Well, LFR trinkets are no less BIS compared to Normal than Normal are compared to Heroic. If you follow your logic, the only trinkets that should be up there are Heroics (and maybe just even Heroic Thunderforged, however I get the point stated previously on that). Nevertheless, I am using SC and other sites and am now at nearly LFR-BIS, which is awesome, except that 5.4 is coming and I'll have to start all over again :-/
  12. Assassination from the Mists

    I noticed the OP doesn't list LFR trinkets (anymore?). For those of us stuck down here due to time constraints, etc would it be possible to get those? As far as I can tell from SC and other sites, my best 2 available trinkets are the rep trinket and Rentaki's. However, in the EP ratings for each gear level, Bad Juju is placed higher than Rentaki's. Is this because of my gear level and the relative EPs at this point compared to a true BIS condition?
  13. ShadowCraft for Mists of Pandaria

    Don't forget about the Gear Icon -> Clear all Saved Data
  14. Rogue Simple Questions

    What I do is use a site like Ask Mr. Robot and configure the Options to exclude Raid gear and LFR gear (and perhaps a few others) and see what they recommend for BIS. I do that for any class.
  15. ShadowCraft for Mists of Pandaria

    This question seems to be asked about once per page in this thread. Would it be worthwhile to put something in the web front end that points this out to a user? Like, when they click Reforge a second time in a row?