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#21 Berthold

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 08:32 AM

Soul Swap is indeed great, but it should be mentioned that tanks are going to hate you for putting all dots in one gcd on a newly arrived add :-) (died every time I used Soul Swap on the adds in Deathwisper HC, although our tanks usually do their job quite well)

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 09:39 AM

Jinx seems to be a nice utility talent, but it has a mayor flaw (I think it's a bug): When you use CoE on a target, you cannot use another curse on another target in 20/40yards (depending on Your points spent) range. Jinx overwrites every other curse instantly with CoE as long as CoE is up on the main target.

#23 MiwaER

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 09:48 AM

"You cannot Soul Swap to the same target"

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 12:50 PM

I need to take one point out of cookie cutter affliction spec for SoC. So from which one to remove one point Nightfall or S&F? What is lower dps loss?

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 01:04 PM

Since Drain Life seems a viable filler, you would use Shadow Bolt only once each 30 seconds to apply the Improved Shadow Bolt effect.

In this case, maybe you'd prefer a slower shadow bolt (2/3 Bane) that applies the buff with a 100% rate (3/3 S&F).


Concerning the usage of Soulburn for Affliction, wouldn't Soulburn + Drain Life be a slight dps increase for burst damage phases? Probably using it during Bloodlust/Heroism would be overkill, but what about the "normal" phases?

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 01:06 PM

I need to take one point out of cookie cutter affliction spec for SoC. So from which one to remove one point Nightfall or S&F? What is lower dps loss?


Nightfall (from which you only gain a chance to fire an instant) against permanent DPS increase of S&F

#27 Halens

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 04:32 PM

Unconfirmed:

Drain soul damage modifier has been nerfed. Tooltip ingame does not reflect tooltip on wowhead, so I'm not sure if there is any damage modifier bonus below 25% any longer.

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 04:57 PM

Unconfirmed:

Drain soul damage modifier has been nerfed. Tooltip ingame does not reflect tooltip on wowhead, so I'm not sure if there is any damage modifier bonus below 25% any longer.


Affliction Warlocks – we lowered the damage of Drain Soul slightly.

Sounds like they over-nerfed it.

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 06:19 PM

Just a heads up, in the OP in the gems section the Red gem that is listed as "Item not found" is Brilliant Cardinal Ruby. It's spelled in the OP as Brillant so that's why it's coming up.
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Posted 15 October 2010 - 10:29 PM

I thought spirit isn't worth much now? How come Enchant Chest - Major Spirit is listed as an enchant? Is this a mistake?

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 09:54 PM

Concerning the usage of Soulburn for Affliction, wouldn't Soulburn + Drain Life be a slight dps increase for burst damage phases? Probably using it during Bloodlust/Heroism would be overkill, but what about the "normal" phases?


I've been wondering this as well. SB+DL seems to be slightly higher output than a shadowbolt, and I imagine higher levels of mastery would increase that. Perhaps during a T10 4p proc?

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 11:56 AM

First off thanks for the good work once again. My question is. I am hit cap right now and just under 1k haste. I still have 10int/10spirit gems in my blue sockets. What would be my best coarse of action for gemming those blue sockets? I was thinking full int or int/haste or maybe even int/hit so i can reforge my hit on my gear into mastery or haste if possible. Thanks in advance.

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 12:43 PM

First off thanks for the good work once again. My question is. I am hit cap right now and just under 1k haste. I still have 10int/10spirit gems in my blue sockets. What would be my best coarse of action for gemming those blue sockets? I was thinking full int or int/haste or maybe even int/hit so i can reforge my hit on my gear into mastery or haste if possible. Thanks in advance.




gem SP/hit in blue gems for socket bonus and then reforge the extra hit u get from gear to Haste if possible. mastery otherwise

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 09:45 AM

What about Nevermelting Ice Crystal trinket, when special corruption technique is not working ? I can use it when all my dots are up, and use Drain Life as filler for 20 sec and one Haunt.Or when boss is under 25% when filler DS. But i dont know if that amazing crit for 20sec with 3min CD is better then, for example, [Talisman of Resurgence] spellpower boost. What do you think?

PS: how many SP will i got from 1 intelect ?

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 01:11 PM

I'm currently seeing a lot of locks using Drain Life instead of SB as a filler. I believe this is due to mastery increasing your periodic damage, which will affect DL and not SB.

Any calculations on what values of Mastery are needed to make DL worth it?

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 02:12 PM

Any calculations on what values of Mastery are needed to make DL worth it?


From another thread here, but it's worth relinking (apologies if it's actually from this thread): Spreadsheet.

EDIT: My bad. This spreadsheet uses data taken from the PTR, so it may not be 100% accurate.

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 04:06 PM

What about Nevermelting Ice Crystal trinket, when special corruption technique is not working ? I can use it when all my dots are up, and use Drain Life as filler for 20 sec and one Haunt.Or when boss is under 25% when filler DS. But i dont know if that amazing crit for 20sec with 3min CD is better then, for example, [Talisman of Resurgence] spellpower boost. What do you think?

PS: how many SP will i got from 1 intelect ?


As far as I'm aware, 1 Intellect gives you 1 Spellpower, 15 Mana, about .27 Crit Rating, and MP5 with diminishing returns on a parabolic curve.

I personally just replaced the with the because... well, now that rolling crit is no longer an in-game mechanic, the Nevermelting Ice Crystal's proc is equivalent to a permanent 50 Crit Rating boost. The Talisman's on-use ability, for comparison, is equivalent to a permanent 100 Spellpower boost.

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 04:37 PM

Keep in mind intellect gets boosted by cloth mastery and kings, and spellpower gets boosted by demonic pact.

It's not quite as simple as 1int = 1sp unless you take int after all scalars and sp before all scalars.
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Posted 18 October 2010 - 05:19 PM

Is it correct that atm it's totally useless to use DS at all? SB should be hitting harder, because of DS got nerfed to only 2 times the damage in the execute phase instead of 4 times?

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 08:51 PM

Is it correct that atm it's totally useless to use DS at all? SB should be hitting harder, because of DS got nerfed to only 2 times the damage in the execute phase instead of 4 times?

idd, i'm under similar impression..
DPET of "current" drain soul should be lower then shadobolt.. issue is: drain soul refresh unstable as well under 25%, so i'm wondering wether the saved gcd every 14-15 sec is better or not then shadow bolt...
hope some heavy theorycrafter will give us some solid number-crunching :/




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