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#641 Youjelatinus

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:59 AM

Wouldn't that mean that Opportunity Strikes affect Deep Wounds damage in the same way, since they can crit as well? Obviously to a lesser extent, since haste gives more Heroic Strikes.

Also, bleed effects ignore armor, so Deep Wounds damage is not affected by higher CS uptime. However it is affected by stance.

Additional side note: Deep Wounds stacks, though it's hard to tell by looking at your target's debuffs. No damage is lost if you crit again before the current application falls off. Therefore haste/mastery are not devalued from this perspective.


If you were to proc Deep Wounds twice in a very small period of time would that not get into munching?

#642 Cevs

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 12:14 PM

If you were to proc Deep Wounds twice in a very small period of time would that not get into munching?



The way deep wounds works is any crit resets the duration and is recalculated to add damage to the debuff. It doesn't matter how many times you crit in any window of time, the end result is the deep wounds damage is always increased.

#643 Hamsda

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:59 PM

At least that's how it (and similar abilities) should work, but I guess some of the fire mages on these forums could tell you a whole lot about their "ignite munching".
Since deep wounds and ignite have the same behaviour for ages (in regards of double dipping), I could imagine the same effect applies to deep wounds, too, but it may be less of an issue.
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#644 Cevs

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:22 PM

You're right, my mistake.

#645 Muspel

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 06:19 AM

Wouldn't that mean that Opportunity Strikes affect Deep Wounds damage in the same way, since they can crit as well? Obviously to a lesser extent, since haste gives more Heroic Strikes.

Correct on both counts.

Deep wounds is a bleed and it's pretty much common knowledge that bleeds aren't mitigated by armor.

You're right, my mistake.

#646 Serivola

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 11:20 AM

If you were to proc Deep Wounds twice in a very small period of time would that not get into munching?

If the mechanics are close to those in WotLK this post may be interesting: http://elitistjerks....28/#post1672984 (see #2)

Long story short: You are right in the case of opportunity strikes and whitehit both crit at the same time, but since you have also more crit-sources with more mastery the case of good munching will also occur more often.

#647 smn

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 06:06 PM

Would it be optimal to use cs only after ms?
-Pros:Easier to fit 4 abilities in on cs window since you can use op as the 4th ability instead of ms.You lose less cs uptime when your cs is clipped by ms cast in that cs(when you use cs right after ms the next ms is two abilities after cs,otherwise it's 1)
-Cons:You risk overwriting the cs that's applied by ms.You,very likely, lose cs uptime by delaying it.




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