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#21 Israfel

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 12:39 AM

# Enchant Bracer - Agility - Permanently enchant bracers to increase Agility by 50. Requires a level 300 or higher item.
Creates Enchant Bracer - Agility. / Reagents: Hypnotic Dust x 12, Maelstrom Crystal x 2, Volatile Air x 15

Clearly new BiS enchant for wrists coming on 4.0.6

#22 Hothgor

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 07:35 AM

I'd like to add a small contribution to the BiS thread by making it a little easier to find EnhSim values and see if a particular item is an upgrade over the existing one.

Item Comparison 4.0.3c

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The spreadsheet is very easy to use.

1. Input your current EnhSim data on the right most white column.
2. Manipulate the options for matching armor pieces and talent points in the lower right hand corner.
3. Input the current item that you are using on the left most white column.
4. Input the new item that you are investigating on the middle column.

The blue fields are areas that should not be messed with (unless I made a mistake, then feel free to point it out so I can correct it). The new EnhSim values can be off by values of 0.01% and 1, depending on how your in game values are currently being rounded by the character sheet UI. This should not throw off your data by an appreciable amount, and short of an exhaustive effort of summing up the stat values of all of your current items, there is no way to 'fix' this issue.

If you have any questions, let me know!

Update 4.0.3c:
  • Fixed a few rounding issues.
  • Str, Agi, Int and Spi were being incorrectly totaled, this has been fixed.
  • Cleaned up the formulas to be more logical and legible.

Update 4.0.3b:
  • Added a Stat Summary AND Rating Change Summary.
  • Fixed Expertise calculation to the correct value, set EnhSim output to ratings instead of values.
  • Added clarification to drop down boxes in lower right hand corner.


#23 Ashunera

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 11:37 AM

In the end it's Ashunera's thread and I think the best thing would be to pick a spec and have that be that. Easy enough to get the moderators to shit heap any post showing a config without that specific spec. Probably should do the same thing regarding the priority list. Conversation regarding spec and priority list can always take place in Cochice's thread and Ashunera can always periodically update the initial post if a certain spec or priority list ends up showing prominence. There certainly is enough going on with just all the gear options, gem options, reforging options, enchanting options to give the thread relevance. Leave the spec and priorities for another thread.


I would agree, and ideally moving one or two points around isn't going to have any impact at all on your BiS gear setup, which is mainly what this thread is about.. Gear, glyphs, gems, reforges, imbues, and even priority (within reason - having MW1-3 LB uses in it isn't going to fly). Having a point in Improved Shields over Ancestral Swiftness is very unlikely to have any impact on the above, and I personally lean towards certain talents that the vast majority (90%+) are going to take as requirements - Ancestral Swiftness and Shamanistic Rage. I use these talents on every current raid encounter, and most of us will.

For the time being, my stance on talents will be if you can prove that taking a certain talent (as is the case with Elemental Precision) will have an impact on gear, gems, reforges etc. I'll update the OP accordingly, but otherwise all posts must include Shamanistic Rage and Ancestral Swiftness.

The only place where it will have a noticeable impact on anything is Elemental Precision - currently, if your weapon has spirit, it has a very large effect on all of your gear. Without a spirit weapon, it's a simple gem swap. 20 spirit from your chest enchant is easy to work around (with 3/3) by switching a Sensei's to a Rigid or vice versa.

Due to this, I'll update the OP with a 3/3 Elemental Precision setup as soon as I have time.

#24 Andrast

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 01:19 PM

Due to this, I'll update the OP with a 3/3 Elemental Precision setup as soon as I have time.


While the purpose of this thread is to list theoretically maximum single target dps, dropping even 1 point out of Reverberation lowers raid utility. There are currently two encounters (Halfus and Nefarian) where a single enhance shaman can solo interrupt while other classes require a 2 or 3 person rotation. Like Ancestral swiftness or Shamanistic Rage, Reverberation has a value beyond the dps increase it provides.

#25 Ryethe

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 01:44 PM

While the purpose of this thread is to list theoretically maximum single target dps, dropping even 1 point out of Reverberation lowers raid utility. There are currently two encounters (Halfus and Nefarian) where a single enhance shaman can solo interrupt while other classes require a 2 or 3 person rotation. Like Ancestral swiftness or Shamanistic Rage, Reverberation has a value beyond the dps increase it provides.


I can't comment on Halfus because I can't remember the situation from a few weeks ago, but Nefarian can be solo interrupted without reverberation. I do not have the talent and neither does our ele shaman who is also interrupting.

#26 Gondlem

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 01:51 PM

I can't comment on Halfus because I can't remember the situation from a few weeks ago, but Nefarian can be solo interrupted without reverberation. I do not have the talent and neither does our ele shaman who is also interrupting.


The same is true for Halfus. Reverb might have other situational uses, but interrupts on these fights can be managed easily with a six second cooldown on Wind Shear.

#27 Ashunera

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 02:10 PM

As Ryethe said, Halfus, Nefarian's phase 2 adds, and Cho'gall's faceless adds are able to be interrupted permanently without Reverberation. I can't speak for 25. It's a nice talent, but far from required, and there should be next to no situations that make it required. I've yet to see a raid situation where it's on the level of Ancestral Swiftness or Shamanistic Rage for even one encounter.

#28 Andrast

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 09:42 PM

As Ryethe said, Halfus, Nefarian's phase 2 adds, and Cho'gall's faceless adds are able to be interrupted permanently without Reverberation. I can't speak for 25. It's a nice talent, but far from required, and there should be next to no situations that make it required. I've yet to see a raid situation where it's on the level of Ancestral Swiftness or Shamanistic Rage for even one encounter.


I would consider it required for Cho'gall phase two alone, while being very useful in phase 1 where you are able to interrupt an add and then quickly interrupt a worshipping mc'd player. That extra second may mean that Cho-gal gains another stack of Twisted Devotion and could mean the difference between a wipe or not.

#29 Karok(EU)

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 01:04 AM

If for whatever reason Blizzard decides to fix the castermainhand with FT-FT enchants it might be an idea to get started on an Agi-wf-ft based setup. I'll get the ball rolling with this initial setup.

Notice that I went ahead and used the Agility meta, replacing the crit meta and manually adjusted ap and crit:
[table=head]Stat | Chaotic Shadowspirit Diamond | Agile Shadowspirit Diamond | Difference
Agility | 0 | 54 | +54
Melee crit (%) | 0.3 | 0.17 | -0.13
Spell crit (%) | 0.54 | 0 | -0.54
AP | 0 | 108 | +108
Spellpower | 0 | ~54 | +~54
[/table]

I also removed from the item pool, it does not seem to drop anywhere yet (going to asume its from sinestra).

DPS: ~23917.85
Gear: chardev.org
Spec: 10/31/0

[table=head]Slot | Item | Gem 1 | Gem 2 | Gem 3 | Reforge | Enchant
Head | | Agile Shadowspirit Diamond | | - | - |
Neck | | - | - | - | Haste -> Expertise | -
Shoulders | | | - | - | - |
Back | | - | - | - | - | Enchant Cloak - Greater Critical Strike
Chest | | | | - | - | Enchant Chest - Peerless Stats
Wrists | | - | - | - | - | Enchant Bracer - Greater Expertise
Hands | | | - | - | - | Enchant Gloves - Greater Mastery
Waist | | | | - | Haste -> Expertise |
Legs | | | | - | Haste -> Mastery |
Feet | | | - | - | Haste -> Mastery | Enchant Boots - Mastery
Finger | | - | - | - | - | Enchant Ring - Agility
Finger | | - | - | - | Haste -> Expertise | Enchant Ring - Agility
Trinket | | - | - | - | - | -
Trinket | | - | - | - | - | -
Ranged | | | - | - | Haste -> Hit | -
Main Hand | | - | - | - | Haste -> Expertise | Enchant Weapon - Landslide
Off Hand | | - | - | - | Haste -> Mastery | Enchant Weapon - Landslide
[/table]

[table=head]Glyphs


[/table]

[Table=head]Imbues
Main Hand: Windfury Weapon
Off Hand: Flametongue Weapon[/table]

[table=head]Priority
Searing Totem
Spirit Wolves
Lava Lash
Flame Shock with Unleash Flame buff
Maelstrom Weapon x5 Lightning Bolt
Unleash Elements
Stormstrike
Earth Shock
[/table]

Food:
Flask/Elixir:
Potion:

Output: See Honirs post below :)


Thanks for the check there Honir, guess I shouldn't be playing around with this at 3 in the morning ;-), updated my saved chardev for it and removed my output to avoid confusion.

#30 Honir

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 02:52 AM

Karok, you used the STR Hurricane card and 20% melee haste buff on your sim instead of AGI Hurricane card and 10% melee haste buff ( since windfury totem only gives 10% now ).

I manually adjusted status to use Agi meta gem using Karok table. I removed Improved Fire Nova and put those 2 points in Improved Shields. I also reforged any Crit possible to Mastery and changed a gem to get spell hit cap.


DPS: 23917.85
Profile: chardev 8 - Cataclysm Beta
Talent: WoW Talent Calculator - Sigrie.


[table=head]Slot | Item | Gem 1 | Gem 2 | Gem 3 | Reforge | Enchant
Head | | Agile Shadowspirit Diamond | | - | - |
Neck | | - | - | - | Haste -> Expertise | -
Shoulders | | | - | - | - |
Back | | - | - | - | - | Enchant Cloak - Greater Critical Strike
Chest | | | | - | - | Enchant Chest - Peerless Stats
Wrists | | - | - | - | Crit -> Mastery | Enchant Bracer - Greater Expertise
Hands | | | - | - | Crit -> Mastery | Enchant Gloves - Greater Mastery
Waist | | | | - | Haste -> Expertise | -
Legs | | | | - | Haste -> Mastery |
Feet | | | - | - | Haste -> Mastery | Enchant Boots - Mastery
Finger | | - | - | - | Crit -> Mastery | Enchant Ring - Agility
Finger | | - | - | - | Haste -> Expertise | Enchant Ring - Agility
Trinket | | - | - | - | - | -
Trinket | | - | - | - | - | -
Ranged | | | - | - | Haste -> Hit | -
Main Hand | | - | - | - | Haste -> Expertise | Enchant Weapon - Landslide
Off Hand | | - | - | - | Haste -> Mastery | Enchant Weapon - Landslide[/table]

[table=head]Glyphs


[/table]

[Table=head]Imbues
Main Hand: Windfury Weapon
Off Hand: Flametongue Weapon[/table]

[table=head]Priority
Searing Totem
Lava Lash
Flame Shock with Unleash Flame buff
Maelstrom Weapon x5 Lightning Bolt
Unleash Elements
Stormstrike
Earth Shock
Feral Spirit[/table]

[Table=head]Self buffs
Food:
Flask:
Potion: [/table]

Output:
EnhSim version 2.3.0

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MH:
miss                748001         6.50%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            2762164        24.02%
hit                 3361209        29.23%
crit                4627961        40.25%
average ap          16488.13       
clip                0              0.00%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          15.16%
procs/swings        14.30%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 2159421        56.76%
crit                1645189        43.24%
average ap          16467.86       

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 1025603        56.95%
crit                775135         43.05%
average ap          16458.30       

MH Unleashed Weapon Windfury:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 622470         56.59%
crit                477405         43.41%
average ap          16452.10       

OH:
miss                746975         6.50%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            2758793        23.99%
hit                 3359188        29.21%
crit                4634379        40.30%
average ap          16482.36       
clip                0              0.00%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 10769286       79.46%
crit                2784466        20.54%
cooldown            649670         4.57%
average sp          10382.43       

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 1023081        56.81%
crit                777657         43.19%
average ap          16497.20       

OH Unleashed Weapon Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 873950         79.46%
crit                225925         20.54%
average sp          10367.52       

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 686550         44.46%
crit                857793         55.54%
average sp          10377.11       

Flame Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 782368         79.35%
crit                203561         20.65%
average sp          10402.57       
dots hit            4890675        79.47%
dots crit           1263532        20.53%
average dot sp      10432.05       

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 937098         56.78%
crit                713226         43.22%
average ap          16454.60       

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 799352         34.90%
crit                1491306        65.10%
average sp          10399.44       

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1052959        44.55%
crit                1310527        55.45%
average sp          10396.04       

Spirit Wolves:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            1702938        24.02%
hit                 5175410        72.99%
crit                212162         2.99%
average ap          16803.90       

Searing Totem:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 8526152        79.45%
crit                2204966        20.55%
average sp          10369.06       

Searing Flames:
hit                 3753508        79.44%
crit                971579         20.56%
average sp          10360.67       

Trinket2 Damage:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1052765        79.47%
crit                271910         20.53%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 44.12
efficiency          86.53%

flurry uptime                  83.08%
elemental devastation uptime   93.83%
UW Windfury uptime             18.21%
UW Flametongue uptime          22.15%

mh enchant uptime              37.52%
oh enchant uptime              33.74%
stormstrike debuff uptime      98.89%
flame shock uptime             90.07%
lightning shield uptime        100.00%
searing totem uptime           99.78%
searing flame uptime           92.23%


                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 90.82     36.04%
replenishment       17.67     7.01%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
primal wisdom       143.50    56.95%
shamanistic rage    0.00      0.00%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc                0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               4166.81   17.42%    76.66
windfury            1724.53   7.21%     6.34
flametongue         2281.91   9.54%     45.18
searing flames      729.03    3.05%     15.75
stormstrike         1468.38   6.14%     6.00      46.88     20.62%
lava lash           3456.41   14.45%    5.50      21.48     9.45%
searing totem       2307.08   9.65%     1.09      7.47      3.29%
earth shock         928.05    3.88%     5.15      90.46     39.79%
flame shock         1352.59   5.66%     3.29      54.54     23.99%
  direct damage     367.38    27.16%    3.29
  dot tick          985.20    72.84%    20.51
lightning bolt      2376.23   9.93%     7.64      0.00      0.00%
lightning shield    945.07    3.95%     0.14      0.00      0.00%
spirit wolves       566.50    2.37%     0.55      6.49      2.85%
unleashed elements  971.44    4.06%     3.67      25.05     11.02%
  MH Windfury       375.43    38.65%    3.67
  OH Flametongue    596.01    61.35%    3.67
Trinket2            643.81    2.69%     4.42

DPS                 23917.85
MPS                 227.32
MP2min              27278.93
MRPS                1168.81
Out of mana time    0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 31.47s
simulation speed: 572064x

Config:
config_version                  2.3.0
simulation_time                 5000
simulation_time_combatlog       300
combat_length                   7
report_count                    80
threads                         1
combat_length_rng_factor        0.35
min_lag                         230
max_lag                         260
simulate_mana                   1
cast_sr_on_cooldown             0

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  100
ep_hit_rating                   -100
ep_expertise_rating             -100
ep_haste_rating                 100
ep_mastery_rating               100
ep_spellpower                   115
ep_dps                          57
ep_mana                         1200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          100
ep_intellect                    100
ep_agility                      100
ep_strength                     100

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
use_bloodlust                   1
always_bloodlust_wolves         0
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       1
cast_magma_only_if_ticks_left   1
cast_searing_only_if_ticks_left 1
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       0
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    1000
necrotic_touch                  0
necrotic_touch_heroic           0

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -
ring_proc                       -
weapon_set_proc                 -

rotation_priority_count         8
rotation_priority1              ST
rotation_priority2              LL
rotation_priority3              FS_UEF
rotation_priority4              MW5_LB
rotation_priority5              UE
rotation_priority6              SS
rotation_priority7              ES
rotation_priority8              SW

aoe_rotation_priority_count     0

fight_name                      standard_single_target
miss                            8.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        24.00
armor                           11977
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

additional_targets              0
additional_target_percent       0.00
additional_target_level         85

armor_debuff                    12.0/12.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   4.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                10.0/10.0
crit_chance_buff                5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_multiplier    10.0/10.0
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             8.0/8.0
spellpower_buff                 10.0/10.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 5.0/5.0
agi_and_strength_buff           549/549
mana_buff                       2126/2126
mana_regen_buff                 326/326

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mixology                        1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_the_winds
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          potion_of_the_tolvir
food                            skewered_eel

race                            tauren
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.6
mh_dps                          521.8
oh_dps                          521.8
mh_crit                         26.12
oh_crit                         26.12
mh_hit                          20.50
oh_hit                          20.50
mh_expertise_rating             554
oh_expertise_rating             554
ap                              11134
melee_haste                     5.82
str                             156
agi                             4823
int                             155
spi                             178
mastery_rating                  1624
spellpower                      5712
spell_crit                      10.55
spell_hit                       17.00
spell_haste                     5.82
max_mana                        25475
mp5                             1171

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      landslide
oh_enchant                      landslide

mh_weapon                       axe
oh_weapon                       axe

trinket1                        fluid_death
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_hurricane

set_bonus1                      t11_battlegear_4
set_bonus2                      -
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         chaotic_shadowspirit_diamond

glyph_prime1                    feral_spirit
glyph_prime2                    lava_lash
glyph_prime3                    stormstrike

glyph_major1                    -
glyph_major2                    -
glyph_major3                    -

armor_type_bonus                1

primary_talent                  enhancement
elemental_weapons               2/2
focused_strikes                 3/3
improved_shields                2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
flurry                          3/3
static_shock                    3/3
improved_fire_nova              0/2
searing_flames                  3/3
frozen_power                    0/2
shamanistic_rage                1/1
unleashed_rage                  2/2
improved_lava_lash              2/2
maelstrom_weapon                3/3

convection                      0/2
concussion                      3/3
call_of_flame                   2/2
reverberation                   2/2
elemental_precision             0/3
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_oath                  0/2
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
elemental_mastery               0/1
feedback                        0/3
lava_surge                      0/2


#31 Israfel

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 04:40 AM

@Honir

Taking the Elemental Precision discussion into consideration, I removed 1 point from Concussion and 2 points from Reverberation and put them into Elemental Precision, giving me 24163.83 DPS, approximately a 191.98(192) DPS increase.

Output:
EnhSim version 2.3.0

................................................................................

MH:
miss                746982         6.50%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            2756872        23.98%
hit                 3369446        29.31%
crit                4624370        40.22%
average ap          16489.08       
clip                0              0.00%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          15.15%
procs/swings        14.30%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 2167044        56.86%
crit                1643864        43.14%
average ap          16466.90       

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 1039345        56.99%
crit                784351         43.01%
average ap          16453.82       

MH Unleashed Weapon Windfury:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 622572         56.67%
crit                475959         43.33%
average ap          16455.55       

OH:
miss                748266         6.51%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            2759289        24.00%
hit                 3367674        29.29%
crit                4622441        40.20%
average ap          16483.00       
clip                0              0.00%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 10775760       79.42%
crit                2791767        20.58%
cooldown            658407         4.63%
average sp          10371.73       

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 1035979        56.81%
crit                787717         43.19%
average ap          16492.51       

OH Unleashed Weapon Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 873082         79.48%
crit                225449         20.52%
average sp          10358.41       

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 589255         44.43%
crit                737031         55.57%
average sp          10357.01       

Flame Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 768967         79.46%
crit                198801         20.54%
average sp          10389.56       
dots hit            4780660        79.45%
dots crit           1236702        20.55%
average dot sp      10419.94       

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 939832         56.86%
crit                713002         43.14%
average ap          16458.96       

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 800254         34.94%
crit                1489823        65.06%
average sp          10387.02       

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1063109        44.57%
crit                1322121        55.43%
average sp          10384.28       

Spirit Wolves:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            1702412        23.98%
hit                 5183410        73.01%
crit                213764         3.01%
average ap          16805.85       

Searing Totem:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 8524438        79.42%
crit                2209007        20.58%
average sp          10358.51       

Searing Flames:
hit                 3783161        79.45%
crit                978823         20.55%
average sp          10348.78       

Trinket2 Damage:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1052615        79.46%
crit                272134         20.54%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 44.22
efficiency          86.32%

flurry uptime                  83.09%
elemental devastation uptime   93.26%
UW Windfury uptime             18.18%
UW Flametongue uptime          21.83%

mh enchant uptime              37.58%
oh enchant uptime              33.74%
stormstrike debuff uptime      98.84%
flame shock uptime             88.12%
lightning shield uptime        100.00%
searing totem uptime           99.77%
searing flame uptime           92.45%


                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 85.83     35.93%
replenishment       16.50     6.91%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
primal wisdom       136.52    57.16%
shamanistic rage    0.00      0.00%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc                0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               4164.92   17.24%    76.65
windfury            1725.99   7.14%     6.35
flametongue         2351.70   9.73%     45.23
searing flames      757.79    3.14%     15.87
stormstrike         1486.57   6.15%     6.08      47.48     22.17%
lava lash           3564.19   14.75%    5.51      21.51     10.04%
searing totem       2374.89   9.83%     1.09      7.48      3.49%
earth shock         804.26    3.33%     4.42      77.69     36.27%
flame shock         1336.45   5.53%     3.23      53.54     25.00%
  direct damage     363.86    27.23%    3.23
  dot tick          972.59    72.77%    20.06
lightning bolt      2397.63   9.92%     7.63      0.00      0.00%
lightning shield    981.33    4.06%     0.14      0.00      0.00%
spirit wolves       567.45    2.35%     0.55      6.49      3.03%
unleashed elements  987.44    4.09%     3.66      25.02     11.68%
  MH Windfury       374.79    37.96%    3.66
  OH Flametongue    612.65    62.04%    3.66
Trinket2            663.21    2.74%     4.42

DPS                 24163.83
MPS                 214.18
MP2min              25701.88
MRPS                1174.33
Out of mana time    0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 28.95s
simulation speed: 621783x


#32 Karok(EU)

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:30 AM

* Flametongue Weapon procs now deal roughly 20% less damage.
* The Windfury Weapon proc can now trigger 3 additional attacks, up from 2.

from mmo-champ.

Together with the sp->ap change for FT for enhance I'm guessing my timing to get the agi BiS started is spot on.
Lets give this ball some momentum.

With these changes in mind, we can come up with a napkinmath DPS of:

24163.83 - 476.2 (20% less FT dps) + 862.5 (50% more WF dps) = ~24549.

This is still excluding the scaling change from SP to AP for FT however.

#33 Ashunera

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 06:39 AM

There will also be increased Flurry up-time and higher Maelstrom weapon, weapon enchant and trinket proc rates as well.

#34 Cochice

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 09:17 AM

I also removed from the item pool, it does not seem to drop anywhere yet (going to asume its from sinestra).


They drop from Sinestra, but I don't see why you would "remove them from the item pool." This is a best in slot list after all, and whether or not the boss has been killed is irrelevant to whether or not the item is best in slot. You can probably count on her being dead before the next patch hits (the one that you're making the Agi setup for).

#35 ziff

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 11:28 AM

With the BiS config, I swapped in Tia's Grace Heroic and saw a significant DPS gain.

For my config, I'm subtracting 321 agi and adding 285 mastery (and obviously changing the trinket), so please let me know if my logic is flawed.


You can't just subtract off 321 agility without adjusting all the other stats. You still need to reduce AP, melee crit and spell power.

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 05:42 PM

Could you do a proper comparison between and ? I've done multiple tests and I'm getting as slightly higher. I may just be calculating it wrong but could you please clarify this once and for all with your EnhSim results?

#37 Ashunera

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 07:29 PM

Could you do a proper comparison between and ? I've done multiple tests and I'm getting as slightly higher. I may just be calculating it wrong but could you please clarify this once and for all with your EnhSim results?


Apparently I made a mistake somewhere, you are indeed correct - Tia's Grace comes out on top until 4.0.6.

It's impossible to be sure at this point, but changes in 4.0.6 will put DMC:H back on top as far as I can tell.

#38 Infuria

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 11:23 PM

It bears mention that Chardev is not functioning properly. Professions are not yielding stats. They appear as red. They are not counted in the stats which are being used in our .txt files accordingly.

I believe the Chardev admin has fixed the problem, now.

Source: chardev 8 - Cataclysm Beta

#39 Honir

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 04:05 AM

Well, when i select nothing as profession my agility is 4685. When i select Enchanting as profession it is 4769, so, yes, its working.

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 11:03 PM

Under the current BIS list
chardev 8 - Cataclysm Beta

It has been posted having 1658 hit and 367 / 20/20 expert. Is there a reason for this? Mistake? Correct me if im wrong but 1742 hit and 541 expert as posted by Cochice.
http://elitistjerks....ussion/#Hit_Cap




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