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Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:27 PM

Post: [MoP] Survival Hunter Guide
User: jescide
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I was thinking about the best course of action in multi target fights, more specifically: when to use SrS or Multi Shot for multi dotting.

Here are my thoughts so far, using numbers from Rivkah's femaledwarf.com with my own char as a reference:


A. 2 or more targets, spread far apart

1 AS: 32900 dmg, 20 focus = 1645 DPF
1 SrS: 53969 dmg, 25 focus = 2159 DPF

Using SrS to dot other targets seems to be clearly better than only using AS as a focus dump, even when assuming that the other targets won't have the 5% spell damage debuff.


B. 2 targets next to each other (i.e. Stone Guard in Mogu'shan Vaults)

a) using 1 MS every 15 sec to also dot the second target:

One MS cast does ((10307 MS dmg + 16268 Imp SrS dmg) * 2 targets) + 53969 dmg for a full SrS on the secondary target
-> 107119 dmg for 40 focus = 2678 DPF

B) "spamming" MS

I'm not sure how to calculate what happens when you use MS instead of AS as a focus dump all the time. Let's say only the MS does damage, while the SrS dot has no chance to tick (which obviously is too low, because you can't just spam MS all the time):
((10307 MS dmg + 16268 Imp SrS dmg) * 2 targets)
-> 53150 dmg for 40 focus = 1328 DPF

So with two targets next to each other, it seems to be a good idea to use MS every 15 seconds to also dot the second target. I'm not sure what happens if you would simply use MS as a focus dump instead of AS while maintaining your normal rotation otherwise. FD.com says for 1 target it's "only" a loss of 2228 DPS (60637 DPS -> 58409 DPS), so for two targets the DPS loss will be smaller. Maybe it would be even a DPS gain.

C. 3 targets next to each other

a) using 1 MS every 15 sec to also dot the 2 other targets:

((10307 MS dmg + 16268 Imp SrS dmg) * 3 targets) + 53969 * 2 dmg for a full SrS on both other targets
-> 187663 dmg for 40 focus = 4692 DPF


B) "spamming" MS
Let's say again that the SrS dots don't do any damage at all, because I don't know how to calculate the dots:
((10307 MS dmg + 16268 Imp SrS dmg) * 3 targets)
->79725 dmg for 40 focus = 1993 DPF

I'm not sure what to make of 3 target fights. The DPF and DPS becomes better than using AS, so using MS as a focus dump while maintaining your normal rotation otherwise seems advantageous.
Would it be even better to forego other shots completely, only using CoS and MS? I don't know. ES only does 50499 dmg for 35 focus = 2020 DPF for me, which is comparable, and the DPS is worse... on the other hand there are the free LnL ES.


To sum up my thoughts so far:

- multi dotting with SrS is better than a simple AS
- 2 targets next to each other: one MS at least every 15 sec seems good; I'm not sure if it's better to use MS instead of AS as the focus dump alltogether while still maintaining the normal rotation
- 3 targets next to each other: Using MS instead of AS as the focus dump seems good; I'm not sure if it's worth it to use other shots at all


Aside from mobs with funky debuffs, the priority is as follows:

1 target - single target priority

2-3 targets - single target priority replacing AS with MS if they are close or SS on secondary/tirtiary targets if they are not.

4 targets - single target priority replacing AS with MS and BA with XT (If you somehow find yourself in a situation where four targets are separated, let me know.) Explosive shot IS that good, and you will be multi shotting enough to have a negligable difference between this and MS spam.

5+ targets - Multishot rotation: XT>GT>DB>MS>LnL>CS. Always leave two shots (CS+CS or CS+other) between every MS allowing it to tick before the new MS (Sorry, I don't have a source on this but it is very easy math). It is very easy to bleed LnL procs off between multishots with the way focus works now. GT is great aoe and DB is free focus regen to help you get off more non-CS shots. Use CD's as appropriate though I'm not aware of any current boss that requires burst AoE. The only difference between 4- and 5+ is that you prioritize MS over ES, and don't hard cast ES unless absolutely necessary (or you messed up).

Hope this helps!






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