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#941 Darkinsp

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Posted 13 January 2014 - 03:28 PM

Hey there, after reading trough tons of forums I still cant decide which race (horde) to pick for endgame PvE windwalker monk. The main reason why I cant decide is that I am not sure how much dps boost does trolls berserking provides.

 

I am deciding between troll or pandaren, was looking into orc too, but pandaren provides slightly more AP trough fight than orc. 

 

Of course 5% higher dmg against beasts is amazing, but since bosses usually arent beasts (only thok this tier), only matters how good berserking is for WW.

 

Looking forward to your opinions. 



#942 Beryle

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 08:30 AM

Does it really matter ? Hardcore progress has been over for a long time now, and all racials are going to change in WoD. You should wait to see what kind of racial Blizzard is going to give us, although it's unlikely that they will be as important as they are now in my opinion.



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Posted 14 January 2014 - 09:55 AM

Maybe, but i would still like to hear your thoughts.



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 04:23 PM

Hello, guys. Forgive me, im russian ww and english is hard for me. So, i cant find some topic about my trouble.

At now, a have 4 T16 pieces, and head from immersus.

Also, i have 2 580 items.

http://www.wowhead.com/item=105506

http://www.wowhead.com/item=105452

 

The trouble is, should i breake my 4T16? Or wuts the trend right now 4T16 or 2T16+3x580. Will i take more dmg with 3x580 than 4T16. I heard, elitist is amazing source of wows math, did  this calculation made?If it did, could u plz gimme link for this topic.

 

3x580: -30 agi

            7.48% hit

            +914 crit rating 

            12800 haste

should i get hit over 7.5%? i ll lose 97 crit rating?(+817 than 4T16)

 

4T16: same haste, 2550 hit, and up 30 agi

 

 

Thx.


Edited by suSSlik, 20 January 2014 - 05:57 PM.


#945 Arathius

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 09:00 AM

 

Hey there, after reading trough tons of forums I still cant decide which race (horde) to pick for endgame PvE windwalker monk. The main reason why I cant decide is that I am not sure how much dps boost does trolls berserking provides.

 

I am deciding between troll or pandaren, was looking into orc too, but pandaren provides slightly more AP trough fight than orc. 

 

Of course 5% higher dmg against beasts is amazing, but since bosses usually arent beasts (only thok this tier), only matters how good berserking is for WW.

 

Looking forward to your opinions. 

 

In SoO it is between Orcs and Pandaren for best horde race. If you are using the protectors fists/paragons axes, then orcs will pull ahead slightly, due to the free exp, and cd to stack with TeB. Otherwise Pandaren pull ahead as the 300 static agility will provide a better gain than a troll's Berserking.

 

Hello, guys. Forgive me, im russian ww and english is hard for me. So, i cant find some topic about my trouble.

At now, a have 4 T16 pieces, and head from immersus.

Also, i have 2 580 items.

http://www.wowhead.com/item=105506

http://www.wowhead.com/item=105452

 

The trouble is, should i breake my 4T16? Or wuts the trend right now 4T16 or 2T16+3x580. Will i take more dmg with 3x580 than 4T16. I heard, elitist is amazing source of wows math, did  this calculation made?If it did, could u plz gimme link for this topic.

 

3x580: -30 agi

            7.48% hit

            +914 crit rating 

            12800 haste

should i get hit over 7.5%? i ll lose 97 crit rating?(+817 than 4T16)

 

4T16: same haste, 2550 hit, and up 30 agi

 

 

Thx.

 

The prevailing theory is 2p with 3x 580 off pieces. Said off pieces being Immersius helm, and Norushen chest/gloves. Dropping to 3p with 2 WF should in theory be a dps gain, but it will be close enough that you will need to run a personal sim to get the EXACT numbers you should go for. Seeing as the IJ shoulders are one of your WF pieces, the H tier would be a better piece than the WF version of them. If you have a normal shoulder tier then drop them for your WF shoulders, as the agi gain would offset the loss of 4p


Edited by Arathius, 30 January 2014 - 09:04 AM.


#946 Chickenbuttlips

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Posted 20 May 2014 - 03:52 PM

Hi folks. I know many of you are now focused on the expansion that’s coming, but I could really use some help.

 

I’ve been reading some of the information here, learning about the haste cap with AoC, soft crit, etc., but where I’m struggling is my rotation. I’m still trying to wrap my head around using SimC (So many graphs and numbers and I ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed), so I’m having trouble determing what specifically is wrong.

 

SimC says I should be averaging about 190k dmg based on my current gear itemization (2 T16, 6 warforged at 567, 1 heroic 574, LFR AoC). Armory here: http://us.battle.net...Cristine/simple  However, I know this is wrong because I average closer to 200k in real fights. 

 

 My normal rotation is: ChiB, TP, Jab, RSK, Jab (to achieve 4 chi), 2 BoK.

 

This is the standard I follow throughout the fight. Occasionally, I add ChiW and FoF, and I mean only occasionally. I know there’s a priority here, so that’s why I ask. I know TP is a must to maintain, as is RSK and BoK. But where and how do you integrate FoF and ChiW on a fight like Immersius, for example? Can you guys share your usual rotation on Immersius?

 

Thanks in advance. Your help would be immense and appreciated. 


Edited by Chickenbuttlips, 20 May 2014 - 04:00 PM.


#947 nianzu

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 11:03 PM

whats the best windwalker rotation ? im a bit struggling to keep my dps up :( 



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Posted 11 August 2014 - 09:44 PM

An answer to the last 2 posts would be really nice. Sort of died off. A general rotation with rjw and single target dps both with and without SEF would be nice. Especially openers in fights such as Gal and HGarrosh.



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Posted 12 August 2014 - 09:54 PM

Theres no rotation, more of a priority system:

Keep TP buff up.

Use RSK as soon as it is off CD.

Jab as builder/EH if you won outheal with it (+-80% HP)

For combo breaker: Better cap energy than lose BoK proc, so you should always use it before jabing again. Doesnt apply for TP tho, you can delay that if you would cap energy.

Use chi wave on CD but dont cap energy and dont delay RSK cause of it. (So sometimes you will find yourself not using for few globals even tho it came off CD)

Use BoK if you will get enough chi by the time RSK comes off CD.

 

Thats the basics you should do *fine* with. If you wanna get more pro:

Use FoF in your rotation but only if: 1, wont cap energy. 2, wont delay RSK cause of it. 3, Your TP buff wont fall off. 4, you AND your target wont move for the next 3 secs.

Then just use EB every time you get low on energy, use TeB when on 10+ stacks and try to stack it with other procs or CDs but ALWAYS use it at 18+ stacks.

Use chi brew to get more FoFs into you rotation or if you fail to save your chi for RSK, but dont use it when you are at 17+ chi since you can waste stacks that way.

 

Those are the basics from top of my head.

 

When you are using SEF, just put it on the target you are not attacking yourself and make sure to cast TP and RSK asap since they have they own version of these.

 

 

SimC says I should be averaging about 190k dmg based on my current gear itemization (2 T16, 6 warforged at 567, 1 heroic 574, LFR AoC). Armory here: http://us.battle.net...Cristine/simple  However, I know this is wrong because I average closer to 200k in real fights. 

 

You should do more DMG since I am usually 200k+ with my WW monk in PvP gear (3,5% hit, 5% exp)


Edited by Biffie, 12 August 2014 - 10:00 PM.


#950 Gonaluvuhard

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 06:32 PM

Offtopic of 5.4,

has anyone who has been playing windwalker in WoD or anything doing race testing? I'm curious to see in terms of min/maxing what exactly as of now the best race for alliance for windwalker will be. It's looking like gnome with the haste buff and energy buff? any input from anyone? 






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