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#161 Elbereth


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 03:01 PM

From above post, better to use Shadowcraft to find which offhand is better. I think going with higher ilvl item is the way to go.

#162 frigginwizard


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 09:39 PM

Firstly, on the Combat and Rotation page under the stat weights it says "7.5% Hit > 7.5% Expertise > 2x Haste > Agility > Haste > Mastery > Crit" - I don't know if I'm completely missing something but I can't figure out what "2x haste" is referring to. 


It has to do with item budget. One point of agi is worth more than one point of haste, but in wows item budget haste gets 2 times the stat of agi. For example, agi gems add 160 agi, whereas haste gems add 320 haste. So if you could pick either the haste gem is better. That being said, decisions are rarely that straight forward, and you should be using shadowcraft to make your gear decisions. 



Secondly, I notice that these posts are from 6 months ago, but on the Combat and Rotation page it states "Always use a slow(2.6s speed) mainhand and that 1.8 and 2.6 weapons were close for offhands" while a few posts up frigginwizard said: 


So, does the Combat and Rotation page need to be changed to include that 1.8 daggers are no longer viable as OH weapons due to changes in recent tier? or did frigginwizard just make a mistake.

I did not make a mistake. Slow weapons are marginally better than fast ones. This is no way implies that a dagger in the OH is not viable, simply that it is not ideal.


That being said, the context matters a lot here. I wasn't just making a general statement about fast vs slow, I was responding to someone asking about weapon swapping in combat(and even quoted them to establish context). 

#163 nordveien


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 09:41 PM

The guide is correct. The guy saying that weapon swapping is not required is also right. See guide:

OFFHAND ONLY: 1.8s daggers, and 2.6s axe/fist/sword/mace are exceptionally close in performance. However, 2.6s weapons appear to have a fraction of a % of an advantage. Try to keep a 1.8s dagger around for when you can't use Killing Spree optimally. Because of their racial passive, orc rogues should always use a 2.6s offhand if it's a fist weapon or axe and they also use a fist weapon or axe as their mainhand.


x2 haste means that you're comparing Haste x2 to Agility x1 when making gemming choices. Gems contain twice the secondary stat compared to the amount of main stat. Say, when Haste x2 > Agi, that means you should use "80 Agi + 160 Haste" gem for red socket instead of "160 Agi" gem (this is under assumption that you should always go for socket bonuses, which in case of Combat and this tier is virtually always true).

Edited by nordveien, 24 February 2014 - 09:48 PM.

#164 Twoboxer


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 11:30 PM

. . . 2 pts haste > 1 point AGI > 1 pt Haste > etc

#165 eli371


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Posted 25 February 2014 - 06:32 PM

Thanks all for the replies and thanks for clearing that up frigginwizard. I'm starting to mess with shadowcraft now. Once again I greatly appreciate all the responses.


#166 Zekyu


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 05:14 PM

Regarding the BiS table, considering this tier is going to be over a year old by the time WoD comes out, giving many of us an opportunity to actually achieve full BiS, wouldn't it be better to use Garrosh belt/spoils boots instead of the pieces currently listed.


Reforing export: Head: MasteryRating -> HitRating

Back: CritRating -> HitRating
Chest: MasteryRating -> ExpertiseRating
Wrists: MasteryRating -> ExpertiseRating
Hands: MasteryRating -> ExpertiseRating
Waist: CritRating -> MasteryRating
Legs: CritRating -> HitRating
Feet: MasteryRating -> ExpertiseRating
Ring1: ExpertiseRating -> HasteRating
Ring2: MasteryRating -> HitRating
MainHand: CritRating -> MasteryRating
OffHand: CritRating -> HitRating
With Seismic bore this comes to 405244 DPS as a troll with all raid buffs except receiving tricks on CD/tricksing on CD. Also, there is a ~100 dps difference for Spoils weapons.
EDIT: Since apparently I don't know how to link a specific gear set in shadowcraft.
2nd Edit: See if this link works Combat BiS

Edited by Zekyu, 10 April 2014 - 09:19 PM.

#167 frigginwizard


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:06 PM

Gear snapshots are stored to your local machine. All that link does is show is the gear you are currently wearing.

Edited by frigginwizard, 10 April 2014 - 07:07 PM.

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