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#101 Frenzi

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 08:57 AM

What are you basing this on?


Sorry for no explanation, I don't see MF beneficial to refresh if IIS is untalented during eclipse. The DPET of a MF is higher but you have to look at the damage you gain from MF during the Eclipse compared to what you potentially lose. Lets say you cast the MF and it costs you an extra critical starfire during eclipse, that is lets say around 6k, however not casting the MF allows you that extra SF but it means you lost a few ticks. Which is better? At about a third through eclipse I don't really see much benefit to casting MF unless you have IIS talented.

I see the 3% crit as being worth refreshing as it increases your chances of gaining additional damage from our starfires, I have no math to back this up so please point me out if I am wrong.
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#102 Nilaus

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 11:52 AM

Sorry for no explanation, I don't see MF beneficial to refresh if IIS is untalented during eclipse. The DPET of a MF is higher but you have to look at the damage you gain from MF during the Eclipse compared to what you potentially lose. Lets say you cast the MF and it costs you an extra critical starfire during eclipse, that is lets say around 6k, however not casting the MF allows you that extra SF but it means you lost a few ticks. Which is better? At about a third through eclipse I don't really see much benefit to casting MF unless you have IIS talented.

I see the 3% crit as being worth refreshing as it increases your chances of gaining additional damage from our starfires, I have no math to back this up so please point me out if I am wrong.


WOW! that was a lot of anecdotal evidence in one paragraph. Please turn down the "lets say" and turn up the actual calculations if you make a statement as a fact.

The original question is very valid indeed and a questions I would very much like answered here if possible.
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#103 Frenzi

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 12:28 PM

Gray Matter: Eclipse: Part 3 - What about my DoTs?
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Posted 14 May 2009 - 01:36 PM

Gray Matter: Eclipse: Part 3 - What about my DoTs?


His math says it is better to refresh MF with about 9s or more of Eclipse. IIS has very little impact on his results (a fraction of a second).

His math shows it is better to refresh IS only during the first three or four seconds of Eclipse. However that was with the old IS coefficient (.76 for 6 ticks). Plug in the new coefficient (1.2 for 6 ticks) and IS becomes very similar to MF (worth casting with as few as 9s left).

His math doesn't consider 2t8. 2t8 increases the value of spamming your nuke during Eclipse. I think that that if you plug 2t8 into his forumula, you need about 1 more second of DoT time to be worthwhile (rougly 10s left on Eclipse before refreshing a DoT).

4t8 is obviously going to favor High IS uptime. I haven't attempted to determine where it moves the break-even point for IS during Eclipse.

Graylo also doesn't consider the dynamics going into your next Eclipse. Suppose you proc Eclipse every 34s to 40s. If you refuse to cast MF during Eclipse, you have a choice between 1 MF per cycle (no clipping, average about 13s downtime per cycle) or 2 MF per cycle (clip two to five ticks per cycle).

If you apply MF early in Eclipse, you get to keep MF during the current Eclipse, the gap after the current Eclipse, and most (not all) of the next Eclipse, with no clipping.

All of the above assumes a target-dummy type of fight. If it is likely that you have to move soon, it becomes a bit better to save your instants for movement. If pushbacks or interrupts are likely, then SF (including SF during Eclipse) becomes less valuable.

If you know you are going to have to switch targets soon (say from Emalon to one of his Minions) you should look at pure DPET considerations, and cast DoTs even if it is late in Eclipse.

#105 Frenzi

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 03:26 PM

All of the above assumes a target-dummy type of fight. If it is likely that you have to move soon, it becomes a bit better to save your instants for movement. If pushbacks or interrupts are likely, then SF (including SF during Eclipse) becomes less valuable.


Well I think a big problem when calculating how eclipse works is that it isn't practical and I honestly don't use the numbers as a bible to play my class. I realise this is a theorycrafting forum and I would be stupid to not take the calculations into consideration but there are too many things that can happen and will happen which will alter how you cast. Ignis is a great example as while you have to stop casting to make sure you don't get interupted, this is a great time to refresh your dots especially as you can do it while in the air.

During eclipse I don't refresh MF if Eclipse has less than half it's duration or if I am not on an even numbered duration when my SF finishes casting as my cast time during NG in a lunar elclipse is 1.9 seconds. So for instance I know for my character if eclipse's duration was about 7.5 seconds when my last SF finishes that it is generally safe for me to cast MF and not lose an eclipsed SF.
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#106 Hamlet

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 08:37 PM

I'm hoping to get DoT refreshes theorycrafted out in better detail soon, but since people ask this all the time I'll try my best to give an approximation using my current WrathCalcs values (stats in armory, feel free to double-check using the sheet I just posted on the WC thread).

Moonfire hits for an average of 493 and does 1439/3=480 DPS while ticking. IS does 1456/2=728 DPS while ticking. Eclipsed, non-Moonfired Starfire does 5801 DPS, or 5801*1.3 = 7451 damage per GCD (estimating 1.3 for GCD+reaction). The presence of a Moonfire buff adds roughly 40 DPS per point of IIS to Eclipsed Starfire spam. Uneclipsed Starfire does 4535 DPS, or 4535*1.3=5896 damage per GCD.

If you have X seconds remaining in Eclipse, cast a Moonfire gives you X seconds of Moonfire DoT that you wouldn't have otherwise had. The tricky thing is that you also refresh Moonfire later than you otherwise would have. I've suggested in earlier posts to approximate this effect by imagining that you only cast X/24 of a Moonfire (or X/15 if you don't have GoStarfire). So, if casting Moonfire with X seconds remaining in Eclipse:
--Credit X/24 of a total Moonfire cast (X/24 of a Moonfire DD + X seconds of Moonfire DoT, including IIS benefit)
--Debit 1 GCD of Eclipsed Starfire spam
--Credit (1-X/24) of unEclipsed Starfire spam. (This is the post-Eclipse Starfire time you recoup by not having to refresh MF as early as you would have).
Note that the net GCD's used add to 0, suggesting some coherence in this approximation.

Apply to my above numbers, this suggests that the net damage benefit of the Moonfire cast is:
X/24*493 + 480*X + 80*X - 7451 + (1-X/24)*5896.
= 335X - 1555.

Suggesting that this becomes positive when X > 4.6.

Interesting--I'll work on this more soon.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 06:33 PM

493 DD from a MF? I am missing Illustration but I see averages of 200-300 with ~2400 spell power raid buffed from my initial MF application with average DoTs in the 1300 range (close to the number you used). Sorry to question your math, just seems awful high for an initial MF.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 08:17 PM

493 DD from a MF? I am missing Illustration but I see averages of 200-300 with ~2400 spell power raid buffed from my initial MF application with average DoTs in the 1300 range (close to the number you used). Sorry to question your math, just seems awful high for an initial MF.


Improved Moonfire. With Moonfury and Glyph of Moonfire, IMF increase the DD damage from 20% of base to 30% of base.

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 10:27 PM

I seem to recall seeing on this forum that it's worth to refresh MF during Eclipse if you have more than half of the proc left (around 6 seconds), and not worth it if you have less, but I don't know if it refers to a 1 or 2 MF rotation.

Was also curious about it, and while trying to find the right solution with SimulationCraft I noticed that the min_eclipse_left options for IS/MF did not work at all :(
Fixed them in r2372

Profile:
XX = Minimum time left on eclipse where you'll refresh MF
druid=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_XX
level=80
talents=http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0xRbuiIsfdIVhouZbxczb
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/mark_of_the_wild/moonkin_form/mana_potion
actions+=/innervate,trigger=19000
actions+=/treants
actions+=/starfall,skip_on_eclipse=1
actions+=/moonfire,eclipse_left>=XX
actions+=/insect_swarm,skip_on_eclipse=1
actions+=/wrath,eclipse=trigger
actions+=/starfire

# Standard Gear Attributes http://www.chardev.org/?template=148722
gear_stamina=800
gear_intellect=802
gear_spirit=234
gear_spell_power=2079
gear_hit_rating=263
#gear_hit_rating=275 Actual rating from profile, would distort hit-rating-scale.
gear_crit_rating=364
gear_haste_rating=607
gear_mp5=15

# Set Bonuses
tier7_2pc=1
tier7_4pc=1

# Meta Gem
chaotic_skyflare=1

# Item Procs
illustration_of_the_dragon_soul=1
dying_curse=1

# Glyphs
glyph_moonfire=1
glyph_starfire=1
glyph_insect_swarm=1

# Relic
idol_of_the_shooting_star=1
Output
SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft build 3.1.0 ( iterations=9999, max_time=300, optimal_raid=1, normalized_rng=0 )

DPS Ranking:
  58796 100.0%  Raid
   5906  10.0%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_13
   5904  10.0%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_12
   5903  10.0%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_14
   5901  10.0%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_11
   5896  10.0%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_10
   5887  10.0%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_09
   5886  10.0%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_08
   5873  10.0%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_07
   5872  10.0%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_06
   5856   9.9%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_05

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_05  DPS=5855.6 (Error=+/-3.1 Range=+/-568)  DPR=19.9  RS=294.5/266.2  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.5|19.6sec  DPE= 9429| 8%  DPET= 8027  DPR=  35.5  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=106  Tick=1379
    moonfire              Count= 11.1|28.0sec  DPE=10934| 7%  DPET= 9292  DPR=  16.2  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 319  Crit=  666|  736|43.3%  TickCount=84  Tick=1380
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.2sec  DPE=11961| 3%  DPET= 9853  DPR=   9.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=918|1604|37.4%
    starfire              Count=101.5| 2.8sec  DPE=10712|62%  DPET= 5477  DPR=  21.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6463  Crit=13503|15564|60.4%
    wrath                 Count= 53.6| 5.4sec  DPE= 5225|16%  DPET= 4488  DPR=  14.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3575  Crit= 7470| 8602|42.4%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1735| 4%  DPET= 1192  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3629| 3825|8.2%  Glance=1361|24.0%  Dodge=6.6%

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_06  DPS=5871.6 (Error=+/-3.1 Range=+/-585)  DPR=19.9  RS=295.1/266.6  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.6|19.5sec  DPE= 9424| 8%  DPET= 8021  DPR=  35.5  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=106  Tick=1379
    moonfire              Count= 11.6|26.7sec  DPE=10931| 7%  DPET= 9265  DPR=  16.2  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 319  Crit=  667|  736|43.4%  TickCount=88  Tick=1382
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.2sec  DPE=11945| 3%  DPET= 9846  DPR=   9.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=916|1604|37.5%
    starfire              Count=101.3| 2.8sec  DPE=10730|62%  DPET= 5488  DPR=  21.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6463  Crit=13505|15564|60.6%
    wrath                 Count= 53.4| 5.4sec  DPE= 5226|16%  DPET= 4490  DPR=  14.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3573  Crit= 7471| 8602|42.4%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1735| 4%  DPET= 1192  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3630| 3825|8.2%  Glance=1361|23.9%  Dodge=6.6%

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_07  DPS=5872.8 (Error=+/-3.0 Range=+/-594)  DPR=19.9  RS=295.1/266.7  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.6|19.5sec  DPE= 9430| 8%  DPET= 8028  DPR=  35.6  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=106  Tick=1380
    moonfire              Count= 11.7|26.6sec  DPE=10925| 7%  DPET= 9257  DPR=  16.2  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 319  Crit=  667|  736|43.4%  TickCount=88  Tick=1382
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.2sec  DPE=11945| 3%  DPET= 9842  DPR=   9.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=917|1604|37.4%
    starfire              Count=101.3| 2.8sec  DPE=10730|62%  DPET= 5488  DPR=  21.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6463  Crit=13506|15564|60.6%
    wrath                 Count= 53.4| 5.4sec  DPE= 5229|16%  DPET= 4492  DPR=  14.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3574  Crit= 7471| 8602|42.5%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1737| 4%  DPET= 1193  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3630| 3825|8.2%  Glance=1361|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_08  DPS=5885.7 (Error=+/-3.1 Range=+/-581)  DPR=19.9  RS=295.6/267.1  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.5|19.6sec  DPE= 9429| 8%  DPET= 8028  DPR=  35.6  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=106  Tick=1379
    moonfire              Count= 12.0|25.7sec  DPE=10949| 7%  DPET= 9288  DPR=  16.2  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 320  Crit=  668|  736|43.2%  TickCount=91  Tick=1383
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.2sec  DPE=11958| 3%  DPET= 9856  DPR=   9.2  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=918|1604|37.4%
    starfire              Count=101.1| 2.8sec  DPE=10747|62%  DPET= 5498  DPR=  21.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6464  Crit=13506|15564|60.8%
    wrath                 Count= 53.3| 5.4sec  DPE= 5229|16%  DPET= 4491  DPR=  14.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3574  Crit= 7470| 8602|42.5%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1738| 4%  DPET= 1193  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3630| 3825|8.2%  Glance=1361|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_09  DPS=5886.9 (Error=+/-3.1 Range=+/-622)  DPR=19.9  RS=295.6/267.1  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.6|19.5sec  DPE= 9425| 8%  DPET= 8023  DPR=  35.5  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=106  Tick=1379
    moonfire              Count= 12.1|25.6sec  DPE=10974| 8%  DPET= 9313  DPR=  16.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 320  Crit=  668|  736|43.4%  TickCount=92  Tick=1384
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.2sec  DPE=11941| 3%  DPET= 9835  DPR=   9.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=918|1604|37.3%
    starfire              Count=101.0| 2.8sec  DPE=10747|62%  DPET= 5499  DPR=  21.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6464  Crit=13504|15564|60.8%
    wrath                 Count= 53.5| 5.4sec  DPE= 5228|16%  DPET= 4490  DPR=  14.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3575  Crit= 7471| 8602|42.4%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1738| 4%  DPET= 1193  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3630| 3825|8.3%  Glance=1361|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_10  DPS=5896.2 (Error=+/-3.1 Range=+/-558)  DPR=19.9  RS=296.0/267.1  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.8|19.2sec  DPE= 9422| 8%  DPET= 8027  DPR=  35.5  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=108  Tick=1379
    moonfire              Count= 12.3|25.0sec  DPE=11001| 8%  DPET= 9344  DPR=  16.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 320  Crit=  668|  736|43.3%  TickCount=93  Tick=1385
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.1sec  DPE=11950| 3%  DPET= 9842  DPR=   9.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=918|1604|37.4%
    starfire              Count=100.9| 2.8sec  DPE=10748|61%  DPET= 5501  DPR=  21.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6462  Crit=13503|15564|60.9%
    wrath                 Count= 53.3| 5.4sec  DPE= 5228|16%  DPET= 4489  DPR=  14.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3577  Crit= 7475| 8602|42.4%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1736| 4%  DPET= 1192  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3630| 3825|8.1%  Glance=1361|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_11  DPS=5901.1 (Error=+/-3.1 Range=+/-561)  DPR=19.9  RS=296.0/267.2  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.9|19.2sec  DPE= 9423| 8%  DPET= 8024  DPR=  35.5  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=108  Tick=1379
    moonfire              Count= 12.3|25.0sec  DPE=11012| 8%  DPET= 9352  DPR=  16.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 320  Crit=  669|  736|43.6%  TickCount=94  Tick=1386
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.1sec  DPE=11962| 3%  DPET= 9851  DPR=   9.2  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=919|1604|37.4%
    starfire              Count=100.9| 2.8sec  DPE=10759|61%  DPET= 5507  DPR=  21.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6463  Crit=13504|15564|61.0%
    wrath                 Count= 53.2| 5.4sec  DPE= 5222|16%  DPET= 4483  DPR=  14.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3575  Crit= 7473| 8602|42.2%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1738| 4%  DPET= 1194  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3630| 3825|8.2%  Glance=1361|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_12  DPS=5903.7 (Error=+/-3.1 Range=+/-619)  DPR=19.9  RS=296.0/267.3  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.7|19.3sec  DPE= 9427| 8%  DPET= 8021  DPR=  35.5  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=107  Tick=1379
    moonfire              Count= 12.5|24.7sec  DPE=10980| 8%  DPET= 9319  DPR=  16.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 320  Crit=  669|  736|43.4%  TickCount=95  Tick=1385
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.2sec  DPE=11958| 3%  DPET= 9854  DPR=   9.2  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=917|1604|37.4%
    starfire              Count=101.5| 2.8sec  DPE=10753|62%  DPET= 5506  DPR=  21.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6464  Crit=13501|15564|60.9%
    wrath                 Count= 52.3| 5.5sec  DPE= 5230|15%  DPET= 4491  DPR=  14.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3574  Crit= 7471| 8602|42.5%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1735| 4%  DPET= 1191  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3629| 3825|8.1%  Glance=1361|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_13  DPS=5906.5 (Error=+/-3.1 Range=+/-616)  DPR=20.0  RS=296.0/267.4  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.7|19.4sec  DPE= 9425| 8%  DPET= 8020  DPR=  35.6  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=107  Tick=1379
    moonfire              Count= 12.5|24.7sec  DPE=10996| 8%  DPET= 9334  DPR=  16.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 320  Crit=  668|  736|43.5%  TickCount=95  Tick=1386
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.3sec  DPE=11942| 3%  DPET= 9836  DPR=   9.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=917|1604|37.4%
    starfire              Count=101.6| 2.8sec  DPE=10754|62%  DPET= 5506  DPR=  21.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6464  Crit=13500|15564|61.0%
    wrath                 Count= 52.1| 5.5sec  DPE= 5233|15%  DPET= 4493  DPR=  14.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3575  Crit= 7471| 8602|42.6%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1738| 4%  DPET= 1194  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3631| 3825|8.2%  Glance=1361|24.1%  Dodge=6.4%

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_14  DPS=5903.4 (Error=+/-3.1 Range=+/-590)  DPR=19.9  RS=296.4/267.4  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.7|19.4sec  DPE= 9423| 8%  DPET= 8020  DPR=  35.5  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=107  Tick=1379
    moonfire              Count= 12.6|24.5sec  DPE=10968| 8%  DPET= 9321  DPR=  16.2  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 320  Crit=  669|  736|43.4%  TickCount=95  Tick=1386
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.2sec  DPE=11937| 3%  DPET= 9839  DPR=   9.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=917|1604|37.4%
    starfire              Count=101.0| 2.8sec  DPE=10759|61%  DPET= 5509  DPR=  21.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6463  Crit=13502|15564|61.0%
    wrath                 Count= 53.0| 5.4sec  DPE= 5225|16%  DPET= 4486  DPR=  14.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3575  Crit= 7471| 8602|42.3%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1736| 4%  DPET= 1192  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3629| 3825|8.2%  Glance=1361|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Gains:

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_14:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6422.3  (overflow=1.8%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=2.9
        judgement_of_wisdom=6980.4
        mana_potion=4293.5
        moonkin_form=39801.3
        mp5_regen=6163.2  (overflow=1.2%)
        omen_of_clarity=5217.6
        replenishment=16441.3  (overflow=1.6%)

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_13:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6423.0  (overflow=1.8%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=2.2
        judgement_of_wisdom=6986.4
        mana_potion=4294.4
        moonkin_form=39797.9
        mp5_regen=6163.6  (overflow=1.1%)
        omen_of_clarity=5249.8
        replenishment=16442.5  (overflow=1.6%)

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_12:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6421.5  (overflow=1.8%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=2.1
        judgement_of_wisdom=6974.4
        mana_potion=4294.8
        moonkin_form=39769.9
        mp5_regen=6162.6  (overflow=1.2%)
        omen_of_clarity=5254.8
        replenishment=16439.9  (overflow=1.6%)

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_11:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6422.5  (overflow=1.8%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=1.1
        judgement_of_wisdom=6984.4
        mana_potion=4297.0
        moonkin_form=39733.9
        mp5_regen=6163.3  (overflow=1.1%)
        omen_of_clarity=5251.4
        replenishment=16442.0  (overflow=1.6%)

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_10:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6422.2  (overflow=1.8%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=5.2
        judgement_of_wisdom=6982.3
        mana_potion=4296.6
        moonkin_form=39692.4
        mp5_regen=6163.3  (overflow=1.1%)
        omen_of_clarity=5225.3
        replenishment=16441.6  (overflow=1.6%)

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_09:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6420.6  (overflow=1.8%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=2.2
        judgement_of_wisdom=6967.9
        mana_potion=4292.7
        moonkin_form=39723.0
        mp5_regen=6161.9  (overflow=1.2%)
        omen_of_clarity=5245.5
        replenishment=16437.8  (overflow=1.6%)

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_08:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6420.2  (overflow=1.8%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=2.1
        judgement_of_wisdom=6980.6
        mana_potion=4296.1
        moonkin_form=39712.7
        mp5_regen=6161.7  (overflow=1.2%)
        omen_of_clarity=5222.7
        replenishment=16436.4  (overflow=1.6%)

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_07:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6421.3  (overflow=1.8%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=1.2
        judgement_of_wisdom=6974.9
        mana_potion=4295.3
        moonkin_form=39591.6
        mp5_regen=6162.2  (overflow=1.2%)
        omen_of_clarity=5223.8
        replenishment=16439.0  (overflow=1.6%)

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_06:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6421.8  (overflow=1.8%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=0.0
        judgement_of_wisdom=6963.8
        mana_potion=4293.5
        moonkin_form=39588.9
        mp5_regen=6162.7  (overflow=1.2%)
        omen_of_clarity=5221.6
        replenishment=16440.1  (overflow=1.6%)

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_05:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6420.5  (overflow=1.8%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=1.3
        judgement_of_wisdom=6963.0
        mana_potion=4294.8
        moonkin_form=39453.0
        mp5_regen=6162.2  (overflow=1.2%)
        omen_of_clarity=5205.5
        replenishment=16438.1  (overflow=1.6%)

Procs:

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_14:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.14sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.3|2.99sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.6|28.28sec

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_13:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.24sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.4|2.98sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.6|28.16sec

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_12:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.21sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.2|2.99sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.6|28.17sec

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_11:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.13sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.4|2.98sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.7|28.10sec

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_10:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.19sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.3|2.99sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.6|28.18sec

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_09:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.20sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.1|2.99sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.7|28.10sec

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_08:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.25sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.3|2.99sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.6|28.26sec

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_07:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.18sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.2|2.99sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.6|28.20sec

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_06:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.27sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.1|2.99sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.6|28.25sec

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_05:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.28sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.1|2.99sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.6|28.25sec

Up-Times:

    Global:
        100.0% : blood_frenzy
        100.0% : improved_scorch
        100.0% : improved_shadow_bolt
        100.0% : master_poisoner
        100.0% : savage_combat
        100.0% : totem_of_wrath
        100.0% : winters_chill

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_14:
        52.9% : eclipse_starfire
        79.6% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_13:
        52.7% : eclipse_starfire
        79.7% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_12:
        52.7% : eclipse_starfire
        79.6% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_11:
        52.7% : eclipse_starfire
        79.4% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_10:
        52.6% : eclipse_starfire
        79.4% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_09:
        52.6% : eclipse_starfire
        79.7% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_08:
        52.5% : eclipse_starfire
        79.7% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_07:
        52.4% : eclipse_starfire
        79.7% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_06:
        52.4% : eclipse_starfire
        79.7% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_05:
        52.2% : eclipse_starfire
        79.4% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 85816692
  MaxEventQueue = 103
  TargetHealth  = 17634555
  SimSeconds    = 2999591
  CpuSeconds    = 153.000
  SpeedUp       = 19605

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=0.999953 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000071

I'll do the same with 2T8
I removed both 2T7 and 4T7 and only added 2T8
SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft build 3.1.0 ( iterations=9999, max_time=300, optimal_raid=1, normalized_rng=0 )

DPS Ranking:
  58693 100.0%  Raid
   5895  10.0%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_12
   5893  10.0%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_14
   5892  10.0%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_13
   5888  10.0%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_11
   5888  10.0%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_10
   5877  10.0%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_09
   5876  10.0%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_08
   5863  10.0%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_07
   5863  10.0%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_06
   5845   9.9%  Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_05

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_05  DPS=5845.4 (Error=+/-3.0 Range=+/-560)  DPR=19.8  RS=295.4/266.7  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.6|19.5sec  DPE= 8748| 8%  DPET= 7440  DPR=  33.0  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=107  Tick=1281
    moonfire              Count= 11.3|27.5sec  DPE=10880| 7%  DPET= 9241  DPR=  16.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 319  Crit=  667|  736|43.5%  TickCount=85  Tick=1380
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.0sec  DPE=11983| 3%  DPET= 9871  DPR=   9.2  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=918|1604|37.4%
    starfire              Count= 99.4| 2.9sec  DPE=10922|62%  DPET= 5592  DPR=  21.4  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6462  Crit=13499|15564|63.4%
    wrath                 Count= 56.8| 5.1sec  DPE= 5032|16%  DPET= 4313  DPR=  14.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3577  Crit= 7478| 8602|37.3%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1738| 4%  DPET= 1194  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3628| 3825|8.3%  Glance=1361|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_06  DPS=5862.6 (Error=+/-3.0 Range=+/-575)  DPR=19.8  RS=296.0/267.3  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.7|19.4sec  DPE= 8746| 8%  DPET= 7439  DPR=  32.9  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=107  Tick=1280
    moonfire              Count= 11.7|26.4sec  DPE=10886| 7%  DPET= 9220  DPR=  16.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 319  Crit=  667|  736|43.4%  TickCount=88  Tick=1382
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.1sec  DPE=11974| 3%  DPET= 9864  DPR=   9.2  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=918|1604|37.4%
    starfire              Count= 99.4| 2.9sec  DPE=10941|62%  DPET= 5605  DPR=  21.4  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6463  Crit=13500|15564|63.6%
    wrath                 Count= 56.5| 5.1sec  DPE= 5037|16%  DPET= 4318  DPR=  14.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3576  Crit= 7475| 8602|37.5%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1736| 4%  DPET= 1192  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1814  Crit= 3629| 3825|8.2%  Glance=1361|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_07  DPS=5862.7 (Error=+/-3.0 Range=+/-600)  DPR=19.8  RS=295.9/267.1  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.7|19.4sec  DPE= 8745| 8%  DPET= 7437  DPR=  33.0  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=107  Tick=1280
    moonfire              Count= 11.8|26.3sec  DPE=10888| 7%  DPET= 9218  DPR=  16.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 319  Crit=  667|  736|43.2%  TickCount=89  Tick=1383
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.0sec  DPE=11991| 3%  DPET= 9877  DPR=   9.2  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=918|1604|37.5%
    starfire              Count= 99.4| 2.9sec  DPE=10942|62%  DPET= 5605  DPR=  21.4  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6462  Crit=13503|15564|63.6%
    wrath                 Count= 56.4| 5.1sec  DPE= 5031|16%  DPET= 4313  DPR=  14.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3575  Crit= 7472| 8602|37.4%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1737| 4%  DPET= 1193  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3630| 3825|8.2%  Glance=1361|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_08  DPS=5875.8 (Error=+/-3.0 Range=+/-615)  DPR=19.8  RS=296.4/267.7  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.6|19.4sec  DPE= 8746| 8%  DPET= 7439  DPR=  33.0  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=107  Tick=1280
    moonfire              Count= 12.1|25.5sec  DPE=10900| 8%  DPET= 9238  DPR=  16.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 320  Crit=  668|  736|43.3%  TickCount=91  Tick=1384
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.1sec  DPE=11971| 3%  DPET= 9861  DPR=   9.2  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=919|1604|37.3%
    starfire              Count= 99.2| 2.9sec  DPE=10958|62%  DPET= 5614  DPR=  21.4  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6464  Crit=13500|15564|63.9%
    wrath                 Count= 56.4| 5.1sec  DPE= 5038|16%  DPET= 4319  DPR=  14.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3577  Crit= 7475| 8602|37.5%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1739| 4%  DPET= 1194  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3629| 3825|8.2%  Glance=1361|24.0%  Dodge=6.4%

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_09  DPS=5876.6 (Error=+/-3.0 Range=+/-560)  DPR=19.8  RS=296.3/267.7  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.7|19.4sec  DPE= 8744| 8%  DPET= 7438  DPR=  33.0  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=107  Tick=1280
    moonfire              Count= 12.2|25.4sec  DPE=10919| 8%  DPET= 9256  DPR=  16.2  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 320  Crit=  668|  736|43.4%  TickCount=92  Tick=1384
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.1sec  DPE=11987| 3%  DPET= 9872  DPR=   9.2  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=440  CritTick=916|1604|37.5%
    starfire              Count= 99.2| 2.9sec  DPE=10960|62%  DPET= 5615  DPR=  21.4  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6464  Crit=13502|15564|63.9%
    wrath                 Count= 56.3| 5.1sec  DPE= 5035|16%  DPET= 4315  DPR=  14.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3576  Crit= 7474| 8602|37.4%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1735| 4%  DPET= 1192  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3629| 3825|8.2%  Glance=1361|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_10  DPS=5887.7 (Error=+/-3.1 Range=+/-572)  DPR=19.8  RS=296.8/267.8  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.9|19.1sec  DPE= 8747| 8%  DPET= 7444  DPR=  33.0  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=109  Tick=1280
    moonfire              Count= 12.4|24.9sec  DPE=10914| 8%  DPET= 9260  DPR=  16.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 320  Crit=  668|  736|43.2%  TickCount=94  Tick=1384
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.0sec  DPE=12002| 3%  DPET= 9888  DPR=   9.2  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=918|1604|37.5%
    starfire              Count= 99.1| 2.9sec  DPE=10967|62%  DPET= 5622  DPR=  21.5  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6462  Crit=13501|15564|64.0%
    wrath                 Count= 56.3| 5.1sec  DPE= 5037|16%  DPET= 4317  DPR=  14.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3578  Crit= 7476| 8602|37.4%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1735| 4%  DPET= 1192  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3629| 3825|8.2%  Glance=1361|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_11  DPS=5887.7 (Error=+/-3.1 Range=+/-641)  DPR=19.8  RS=296.8/267.8  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.9|19.1sec  DPE= 8742| 8%  DPET= 7439  DPR=  33.0  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=109  Tick=1280
    moonfire              Count= 12.4|24.8sec  DPE=10915| 8%  DPET= 9258  DPR=  16.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 320  Crit=  668|  736|43.4%  TickCount=94  Tick=1384
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.0sec  DPE=11998| 3%  DPET= 9882  DPR=   9.2  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=919|1604|37.4%
    starfire              Count= 99.1| 2.9sec  DPE=10968|62%  DPET= 5621  DPR=  21.5  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6462  Crit=13504|15564|64.0%
    wrath                 Count= 56.2| 5.1sec  DPE= 5038|16%  DPET= 4317  DPR=  14.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3577  Crit= 7475| 8602|37.5%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1737| 4%  DPET= 1193  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3630| 3825|8.2%  Glance=1361|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_12  DPS=5895.1 (Error=+/-3.0 Range=+/-553)  DPR=19.9  RS=296.8/267.9  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.8|19.3sec  DPE= 8748| 8%  DPET= 7436  DPR=  33.0  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=108  Tick=1280
    moonfire              Count= 12.6|24.6sec  DPE=10895| 8%  DPET= 9239  DPR=  16.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 320  Crit=  668|  736|43.3%  TickCount=95  Tick=1385
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.0sec  DPE=11986| 3%  DPET= 9869  DPR=   9.2  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=917|1604|37.4%
    starfire              Count= 99.7| 2.9sec  DPE=10970|62%  DPET= 5624  DPR=  21.5  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6463  Crit=13501|15564|64.0%
    wrath                 Count= 55.2| 5.2sec  DPE= 5037|16%  DPET= 4316  DPR=  14.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3576  Crit= 7474| 8602|37.5%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1740| 4%  DPET= 1195  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3629| 3825|8.3%  Glance=1361|24.0%  Dodge=6.4%

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_13  DPS=5892.5 (Error=+/-3.1 Range=+/-543)  DPR=19.9  RS=296.8/267.9  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.8|19.3sec  DPE= 8745| 8%  DPET= 7435  DPR=  33.0  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=108  Tick=1280
    moonfire              Count= 12.6|24.5sec  DPE=10901| 8%  DPET= 9245  DPR=  16.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 320  Crit=  668|  736|43.5%  TickCount=95  Tick=1385
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.0sec  DPE=11980| 3%  DPET= 9862  DPR=   9.2  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=917|1604|37.3%
    starfire              Count= 99.6| 2.9sec  DPE=10965|62%  DPET= 5622  DPR=  21.5  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6463  Crit=13500|15564|64.0%
    wrath                 Count= 55.3| 5.2sec  DPE= 5035|16%  DPET= 4314  DPR=  14.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3577  Crit= 7473| 8602|37.4%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1738| 4%  DPET= 1193  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3630| 3825|8.2%  Glance=1361|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Player=Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_14  DPS=5892.9 (Error=+/-3.1 Range=+/-610)  DPR=19.8  RS=297.2/268.0  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=94  agility=77  stamina=900  intellect=1034  spirit=395  health=12420  mana=18726
  Spell Stats:  power=2262  hit=14.0%  crit=16.0%  penetration=0  haste=18.5%  mp5=15
  Attack Stats  power=-362  hit=8.0%  crit=16.3%  expertise=0.0  penetration0.0  haste=24.1%
  Defense Stats:  armor=154
  Actions:
    insect_swarm          Count= 15.8|19.3sec  DPE= 8749| 8%  DPET= 7438  DPR=  33.0  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=108  Tick=1280
    moonfire              Count= 12.7|24.4sec  DPE=10876| 8%  DPET= 9233  DPR=  16.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 320  Crit=  669|  736|43.4%  TickCount=95  Tick=1385
    starfall              Count=  3.9|95.0sec  DPE=11981| 3%  DPET= 9874  DPR=   9.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=75  Tick=439  CritTick=918|1604|37.4%
    starfire              Count= 99.1| 2.9sec  DPE=10977|62%  DPET= 5629  DPR=  21.5  Miss=0.0%  Hit=6463  Crit=13499|15564|64.2%
    wrath                 Count= 56.2| 5.1sec  DPE= 5030|16%  DPET= 4310  DPR=  14.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3577  Crit= 7476| 8602|37.3%
   treants
    treant_melee          Count= 42.0| 1.5sec  DPE= 1737| 4%  DPET= 1193  DPR=   0.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1815  Crit= 3629| 3825|8.2%  Glance=1361|24.0%  Dodge=6.5%

Gains:

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_14:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6414.8  (overflow=1.9%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=2.1
        judgement_of_wisdom=6984.9
        mana_potion=4294.8
        moonkin_form=40003.3
        mp5_regen=6159.3  (overflow=1.2%)
        omen_of_clarity=5232.9
        replenishment=16424.6  (overflow=1.7%)

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_13:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6414.0  (overflow=1.9%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=1.2
        judgement_of_wisdom=7002.1
        mana_potion=4293.5
        moonkin_form=39948.5
        mp5_regen=6159.3  (overflow=1.2%)
        omen_of_clarity=5257.2
        replenishment=16423.1  (overflow=1.7%)

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_12:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6412.7  (overflow=2.0%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=1.5
        judgement_of_wisdom=6983.2
        mana_potion=4294.0
        moonkin_form=39979.9
        mp5_regen=6158.1  (overflow=1.2%)
        omen_of_clarity=5258.3
        replenishment=16420.0  (overflow=1.7%)

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_11:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6413.8  (overflow=1.9%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=3.5
        judgement_of_wisdom=6996.1
        mana_potion=4296.1
        moonkin_form=39928.1
        mp5_regen=6158.6  (overflow=1.2%)
        omen_of_clarity=5237.3
        replenishment=16422.7  (overflow=1.7%)

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_10:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6417.4  (overflow=1.9%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=2.6
        judgement_of_wisdom=6997.0
        mana_potion=4293.5
        moonkin_form=39931.0
        mp5_regen=6161.0  (overflow=1.2%)
        omen_of_clarity=5234.7
        replenishment=16430.8  (overflow=1.6%)

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_09:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6415.2  (overflow=1.9%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=1.5
        judgement_of_wisdom=6998.6
        mana_potion=4290.5
        moonkin_form=39888.0
        mp5_regen=6159.1  (overflow=1.2%)
        omen_of_clarity=5259.4
        replenishment=16425.4  (overflow=1.7%)

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_08:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6413.1  (overflow=1.9%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=4.0
        judgement_of_wisdom=6989.1
        mana_potion=4293.5
        moonkin_form=39904.7
        mp5_regen=6158.0  (overflow=1.2%)
        omen_of_clarity=5245.8
        replenishment=16420.3  (overflow=1.7%)

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_07:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6413.6  (overflow=1.9%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=3.3
        judgement_of_wisdom=6985.0
        mana_potion=4295.7
        moonkin_form=39734.1
        mp5_regen=6158.2  (overflow=1.2%)
        omen_of_clarity=5242.8
        replenishment=16421.9  (overflow=1.7%)

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_06:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6418.1  (overflow=1.9%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=5.1
        judgement_of_wisdom=6986.5
        mana_potion=4292.7
        moonkin_form=39784.7
        mp5_regen=6161.2  (overflow=1.2%)
        omen_of_clarity=5221.6
        replenishment=16432.4  (overflow=1.6%)

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_05:
        blessing_of_wisdom=6413.8  (overflow=1.9%)
        initial_mana=22309.8
        innervate=3.9
        judgement_of_wisdom=6987.7
        mana_potion=4295.3
        moonkin_form=39603.3
        mp5_regen=6158.6  (overflow=1.2%)
        omen_of_clarity=5211.4
        replenishment=16422.5  (overflow=1.7%)

Procs:

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_14:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.18sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.3|2.99sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.7|28.03sec

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_13:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.14sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.6|2.98sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.7|27.94sec

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_12:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.21sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.3|2.99sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.7|27.98sec

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_11:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.22sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.5|2.98sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.7|27.96sec

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_10:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.23sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.5|2.98sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.7|27.99sec

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_09:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.25sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.5|2.98sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.8|27.86sec

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_08:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.19sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.4|2.98sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.7|27.98sec

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_07:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.20sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.4|2.99sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.7|27.99sec

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_06:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.21sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.4|2.98sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.7|28.12sec

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_05:
        dying_curse=6.1|49.25sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=100.4|2.98sec
        omen_of_clarity=10.6|28.13sec

Up-Times:

    Global:
        100.0% : blood_frenzy
        100.0% : improved_scorch
        100.0% : improved_shadow_bolt
        100.0% : master_poisoner
        100.0% : savage_combat
        100.0% : totem_of_wrath
        100.0% : winters_chill

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_14:
        53.3% : eclipse_starfire
        78.2% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_13:
        53.0% : eclipse_starfire
        78.2% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_12:
        53.0% : eclipse_starfire
        78.2% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_11:
        53.0% : eclipse_starfire
        78.1% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_10:
        53.0% : eclipse_starfire
        78.1% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_09:
        52.9% : eclipse_starfire
        78.3% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_08:
        52.9% : eclipse_starfire
        78.4% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_07:
        52.8% : eclipse_starfire
        78.3% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_06:
        52.7% : eclipse_starfire
        78.4% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

    Druid_T7_58_00_13_SF_05:
        52.5% : eclipse_starfire
        78.1% : natures_grace
        100.0% : replenishment

Waiting:
    All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 86294173
  MaxEventQueue = 103
  TargetHealth  = 17603302
  SimSeconds    = 2999729
  CpuSeconds    = 157.187
  SpeedUp       = 19084

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=1.000045 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000017


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#110 GlassShadow

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 06:08 AM

Long time reader, first time poster.

Any idea with the 3.2 changes whether it is more beneficial to keep the starfall or the starfire glyph now?

I suppose in some ways it has made it simpler (though I am no theorycrafter). I'm not sure if having an extra 9seconds with moonfire would make it such that refreshing dots at different times might be a DPS loss depending on the time left on the current Eclipse proc and it would be easier to refresh the dots around the same time or what?

Actually maybe it isn't that simple :P




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