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#921 cbags

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 08:55 PM

The Frostfire thread should have all of the information your looking for in regards to a spec that casts either Fireball or Frostfire Bolt.

#922 Brandox

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 03:36 AM

Has there been any discussion involving the 1140 haste target? Rawr does not seem to value it, but at 1140 haste (and raid buffs) we are able to fit a third fireball into Pushing the Limit when the Hot Streak RNG forsakes us.

I have personally found better results gearing for this "cap", instead of pumping more stats into crit, which requires more per percentage and can change drastically due to RNG.
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#923 Phaymous

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 04:43 AM

Has anyone come up with an exact Horde BIS list for FFB/TTW (18/53/0)?

On page 36 there are a few discussions going back and fourth but it doesn't seem like anyone sided on the "best option" to get hit capped.

#924 darkprophet

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 12:59 AM

BIS Endgame fire set, all yellow sockets =12sp/10crit, except two which are 12sp/10hit, all reds =23sp, all blues = 23sp, unless a socket bonus of +7sp or greater.
For pre Arthas kill i replaced the Heroic LK sword with Frozen Bonespike

Helm:
Neck:
Shoulders:
Back:
Chest:
Bracers:
Gloves:
Belt:
Legs:
Feet:
Ring 1:
Ring 2:
Trinket 1:
Trinket 2:
Weapon:
Off Hand:
Wand:

#925 hackers

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Posted 18 June 2010 - 07:24 PM

Has there been any discussion involving the 1140 haste target? Rawr does not seem to value it, but at 1140 haste (and raid buffs) we are able to fit a third fireball into Pushing the Limit when the Hot Streak RNG forsakes us.

I have personally found better results gearing for this "cap", instead of pumping more stats into crit, which requires more per percentage and can change drastically due to RNG.


Looking at Rawr I was seeing some sort of bump in the value of haste around this value, but I don't get it letting a 3rd PtL hasted FB off to be the source. With 0 casting lag theoretically any FB cast under 1.99s (somewhere around 600 haste, with raid buffs) would allow for 3 FB. Losing 100ms of casting between casts in the sequence GCD-> Lag -> FB1 -> Lag -> FB2 -> Lag -> FB while under PtL would allow for (5-1-3*0.1)/2=3.7/2=1.85 FB casts which is somewhere a little over 900 haste. It would need to be just slightly above that value to just start the cast under the buff. If there was some "cap" to gear for I'd think it would be somewhere around 1270 where GCD is pushed to 1s under non-PtL conditions, but above 800 (capping GCD under PtL) you should by no means sacrifice crit for haste. As always, use rawr, but I'm pretty certain you shouldn't start gemming haste to hit 1270 as fire.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 03:31 PM

With Patch 3.3.5 out on US servers tomorrow and the impending arrival of Ruby Sanctum, has anybody Simmed the Best-In-Slot Lists in regards to replacing with [Bracers of Fiery Night]? I am assuming that the heroic version would most definitely be BIS as it gives us Crit/Haste/SP and most probably an ilvl increase over . Thinking of getting a in place of to make up for the lost Spell Hit from bracers.

In addition, how does [Charred Twilight Scale] stand up to its ICC predecessors? Would it replace or in Fire 3.3.5 BIS Lists?

#927 Fth.Greatschock

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 05:01 PM

AFAIK the hard-mode loots are unknown.
Changing the Ring to make up for the lost Hitrating of Lady's Brittle Bracers seems a good Idea, but neither normal mode Trinket nor the bracer/ring combo can keep up with the 277 items

#928 andastra

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 05:17 PM

Considering Halion's normal mode loot is the same as LK's normal mode, it's not a stretch to assume a similar jump for his heroic mode. The hard mode loot would normally be virtually identical in stat distribution, with possibly some stats taken out in favor of an extra gem slot.

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 03:37 PM

This is what i came up for Fire BiS including Ruby Heroic Loot

For Jewelcrafting + Alchemy
Full Raidbuffed and a Demo-Lock with Average 5300 Spellpower




















Sockets:

Blue Sockets: 8x
Yellow Sockets: 2x , 3x
Red Sockets: 3x , 4x

Crit Rating: 1669 (70,35%)
Haste Rating: 1096 (44,30%)
Hit Rating: 369 (17,07%)
Spellpower: 4089

Dps: 16061,64

#930 Morthiras

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 04:01 PM

Morthiras' Best Sets
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Considering correct set bonuses and item proc chances as well as enchanting and tailoring, these are my updated lists for the best fire and arcane sets I came up with for my undead Horde mage:


[TABLE]Posted Image|Morthiras' Best Fire Set|Talents: 18/53/0|DPS (Rawr): >= 15,241.49
Socket|Item|Gems|Enchant
Head||[TABLE]Posted Image|
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Bonus:|+9 Spell Power[/TABLE]|
Neck||[TABLE]Posted Image|
Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|
Shoulder||[TABLE]Posted Image|
Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|
Back||[TABLE]Posted Image|
Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Lightweave Embroidery]
Chest||[TABLE]Posted Image|
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Bonus:|+9 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Chest - Powerful Stats]
Wrist||[TABLE]Posted Image|
Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Bracers - Superior Spellpower]
Hands||[TABLE]Posted Image|
Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Gloves - Exceptional Spellpower]
Waist||[TABLE]Posted Image|
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Bonus:|+7 Spell Power[/TABLE]|
Legs||[TABLE]Posted Image|
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Bonus:|+7 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Sanctified Spellthread]
Feet||[TABLE]Posted Image|
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Bonus:|+7 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Boots - Tuskarr's Vitality]
Finger||[TABLE]Posted Image|
Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Ring - Greater Spellpower]
Finger||[TABLE]Posted Image|
Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Ring - Greater Spellpower]
Trinket|||
Trinket|||
Main Hand||[TABLE]Posted Image|
Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Weapon - Black Magic]
Off Hand|||
Ranged||[TABLE]Posted Image|
Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|
Summary (Rawr)|[TABLE]Spell Power:|3,812
Hit Rating|367 (16.99%)
Crit Rating:|1,650.55 (69.94%)
Haste Rating:|1,043 (42.55%)[/TABLE]||[/TABLE]


[TABLE]Posted Image|Morthiras' Best Arcane Set|Talents: 57/3/11|DPS (Rawr): >= 14,981.91
Socket|Item|Gems|Enchant
Head||[TABLE]Posted Image|
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Bonus:|+9 Spell Power[/TABLE]|
Neck||[TABLE]Posted Image|
Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|
Shoulder||[TABLE]Posted Image|
Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|
Back||[TABLE]Posted Image|
Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Lightweave Embroidery]
Chest||[TABLE]Posted Image|
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Bonus:|+7 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Chest - Powerful Stats]
Wrist||[TABLE]Posted Image|
Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Bracers - Superior Spellpower]
Hands||[TABLE]Posted Image|
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Bonus:|+7 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Gloves - Exceptional Spellpower]
Waist||[TABLE]Posted Image|
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Bonus:|+7 Spell Power[/TABLE]|
Legs||[TABLE]Posted Image|
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Bonus:|+7 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Sanctified Spellthread]
Feet||[TABLE]Posted Image|
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Bonus:|+7 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Boots - Tuskarr's Vitality]
Finger||[TABLE]Posted Image|
Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Ring - Greater Spellpower]
Finger||[TABLE]Posted Image|
Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Ring - Greater Spellpower]
Trinket|||
Trinket|||
Main Hand||[TABLE]Posted Image|
Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|[Enchant Weapon - Black Magic]
Off Hand|||
Ranged||[TABLE]Posted Image|
Bonus:|+5 Spell Power[/TABLE]|
Summary (Rawr)|[TABLE]Spell Power:|4,160
Hit Rating|217 (14.27%)
Crit Rating:|1,316.5 (67.37%)
Haste Rating:|1,493 (66.84%)[/TABLE]||[/TABLE]


I'll update this post when new items are discovered or if Rawr starts to tell me something entirely different...

#931 Beasterbrown

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 07:28 PM

For Alliance, BiS fire, this changes: Amulet of the Silent Eulogy and Sanctified Bloodmage Robe in their respective slots. While still using 3 veiled Ametrine, switch Tuskar's to Icewalker for the last 12 hit.

If you wanted to keep Tuskarr's then just switch two veiled ametrines to potents and keep the same gear as the horde BiS list above.

#932 Morthiras

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 08:32 PM

For Alliance, BiS fire, this changes: Amulet of the Silent Eulogy and Sanctified Bloodmage Robe in their respective slots. While still using 3 veiled Ametrine, switch Tuskar's to Icewalker for the last 12 hit.

If you wanted to keep Tuskarr's then just switch two veiled ametrines to potents and keep the same gear.

Thanks for additionally mentioning the differences for Alliance mages. I forgot to mention that I considered my own undead Horde mage only. :)

Also, its not a big deal, but you have a bracer enchant on the gloves.


Fixed that. Thanks.

#933 Maje

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 09:43 PM

I've done some analysis on Charred Twilight Scale, a semi-full ICC clear, around 140 procs for the trinket.

The minimum duration between procs was 50 seconds;
The average duration between procs on boss fights was 53.3seconds for a fire mage.

The data fits a model of 50s ICD and 30% proc chance on spellcast and makes the average uptime for a fight to be 28%.

EDIT: found a few more logs on WoL, I'm quite certain now that the ICD is infact 50s; for affliction warlock the average time to proc it seems to be around 55.6s.

EDIT2: yet another from shadow priest, 50s ICD 53seconds average time between procs;




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