OK, first off: I am a LONG time reader, but this is my first time posting on this forum. My main is currently a Holy Paladin (Horde side). Pre-BC my main was a Holy Priest and was my main all the way through T5 content, until my Paladin was geared up enough to take over as my main. My guild has downed Sarth 3D, and all other pre-Ulduar content, and have cleared the first three bosses in Ulduar with NO Discipline priest. My current job is MT healer.
I came here mostly to relearn my priest and after looking at all the main healing priest forums I see that Discipline is almost NEEDED in Ulduar. I also looked at a LOT of priest armories to look at talent builds for my holy spec and realized that MOST of all the priest posting on EJ were discipline. Hence the reason I am here.
NOW to my questions
Coming from a Paladin stand point, when I see a talent like PI it makes me automatically think of Divine Illumination. I understand that Discipline priest do not have a LOT of mana issues (like Palies because of our mana return), but COULD Power Infusion be used in a similar fashion as the Paladin Talent Divine Illumination. What I mean by that is say during Tympanic Tantrums.
As a Paly: First MT has beacon of light on so I do not have to heal him directly, so I hit Divine Illumination and SPAM the hell out of my heals on any/everyone. I lose almost NO mana if any at all.
I am assuming that a Disp priest (usually MT healer) would be spamming PW:S on as many people as possible. Could you us PI to 1) get 20% more SP to increase the amount absorbed by the shield and 2) more importantly make the spell cost Less and there for increase the Return % you would get? Or is mana really not an issue at all here, making PI more of a utility to cast on a DPSer?
Second question: I read a LOT about placing a PW:S on a target and then casting Penance. I am confused unless youâ€™re saying you cast shield AFTER the tank takes damage and then you need to heal him. If the tank has the shield up and is at full health why cast Penance on him right away? I may just not understand the whole timing, can someone clarify please?
Third question is I guess an opinionated question: Do any of you use PS as a kind of bubble? Or do you cast it freely on raid members that are getting beat down? The way I see it, PW:S is a form of bubble you can put on anyone that needs help until a raid healer can get to him. SO PS is either a useless talent point OR it can be used to sort of bubble your self when needed.
Last question (for nowïŠ) I have not seen anything about Renewal in all the Discipline forums I looked at. Is Renewal really that bad now? Or is Penance just that good. As holy back in the old days, I would love to shield/renew the raid to help out while MT healing (but this was a LONG time ago). All I read is PW:S, Penance, BT, PoH, PoM and quick reactive healsâ€¦ Is that all there is too it? Besides throwing around PW:Sâ€™s around the raid when help is needed and you have time.
Thank you for any help you can provide. My Priest is currently level 71 (Duel specâ€™ed to Shadow/Holy) but I want to try out Discipline now to get the timing down in some of the lower level instances and work my way up as Disc. I feel like the timing to gear ratio is about 50/50% I have always been able to heal as good as or better then some of the people with a higher gear level due to know the timing of things.
I don't understand what you're talking about, to be honest. When PI'ing somebody we don't gain any SP. When we PI ourselves while spamming shields we don't gain anything but 20% less mana cost, as most discs are at the haste cap when Borrowed Time is up.
So taking it yourself while shielding is a bad thing to do.
Next: You don't need to Penance the target you put a PW:S on. So shielding someone that's probably going to take damage soon, then healing someone with BT up with Penance who needs the heal is a nice combo.
When talking about single-target healing, shielding makes sense still because we don't lose the BT buff after casting Penance (BT is only consumed by casts that are not instant and Penance is), so could cast another _very_ fast heal afterwards if needed. Penance on someone at full health after shielding him only makes sense if it's the MT/a tank to prevent Grace from falling off or to stack up DA (also works on overheal since 3.1 and stacks up to 10k), in my opinion.
PS is a lot more powerful than PW:S. AND you can put up both on the same target, since a shield might not be enough. It's an emergency button and never a wasted talent point. Whether you use it on yourself or on someone else is completely dependent on the situation.
Renew is nothing a disc priest would ever use unless he's forced to move and everyone taking damage has a Shield. We almost cannot talent it (besides Twin Disciplines), neither do we need to.
Most healers (non-holy priests/resto druids) don't track hots in their unitframes or just ignore them to make sure the person lives. It cannot proc DAs. The whole spell just doesn't fit into our toolbox, again, in my opinion.
Hope that makes things a little clearer little to you.
Edit: I haven't checked lately, does Penance still benefit from BT or is that fixed? If so, ignore the one line in the post up there.