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#21 MatsT

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 12:43 PM

This has been tested before and the conclusion was that as long as you can fit in the cast without clipping the swing timer, it's not reset. However, if the casting timer and the swing timer intersects, the swing timer will reset. This means that casting spells with less than 5 stacks of Maelstrom Weapon is almost exclusively of theoretical interest if you are dualwielding, since the timing required to fit in a cast between autoattack swings is so tight that it's not possible to do in reality without missing out on other things.

I don't know how EnhSim models this, but is anyone really using Maelstrom casts without 5 stacks in real fights?

EDIT: So the TTT is wrong on this point then?

The use of the instant cast spell does not interrupt the swing timer of the shaman's auto attacks. If a cast is made with fewer then 5 stacks the swing timer continues and if the cast timer clips the swing timer then the swing timer is reset. If you are using 2 slow weapons then you may be able to slip a 4 stack MW cast between swings but if you are using a fast offhand it is not advisable since if either swing timer is clipped the dps loss will most likely outweigh any benefit gained from casting it early.



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Posted 17 July 2009 - 01:20 PM

This has been tested before and the conclusion was that as long as you can fit in the cast without clipping the swing timer, it's not reset. However, if the casting timer and the swing timer intersects, the swing timer will reset. This means that casting spells with less than 5 stacks of Maelstrom Weapon is almost exclusively of theoretical interest if you are dualwielding, since the timing required to fit in a cast between autoattack swings is so tight that it's not possible to do in reality without missing out on other things.

I don't know how EnhSim models this, but is anyone really using Maelstrom casts without 5 stacks in real fights?


The swing timer doesn't reset, it is clipped. So a cast made under the influence of any stacks of MW intersects a weapon swing it will cause that weapon swing not to occur, but the swing timer will not be reset by the occurrence. As far as I am aware that is the behavior that EnhSim is modeled on and it is the behavior that Simulationcraft should be changed to model as well.

You are wrong about casting spells with less then 5 stacks. Casting them with 4 stacks is still a potential dps gain since clipping a single weapon swing, while dual wielding, is not as detrimental as having a swing timer reset at the end of a cast. This is why EnhSim shows a dps gain from incorporating MW4 into the rotation. As for casting LBs with less then 5 stacks, I do it all the time and I've been high enough on meters to show that it is not the dps loss you are suggesting.

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 02:06 PM

It is unclear to me at this point whether the sim properly models this clipping behavior or if it simply ignores it when MW is at 1+ stacks. I have posted on the Enhsim thread to seek clarification and am awaiting a reply. Until then, I will be cautious and exclude the MW3_CL, MW4_LB from the rotation list.

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 02:23 PM

It is unclear to me at this point whether the sim properly models this clipping behavior or if it simply ignores it when MW is at 1+ stacks. I have posted on the Enhsim thread to seek clarification and am awaiting a reply. Until then, I will be cautious and exclude the MW3_CL, MW4_LB from the rotation list.



It models it correctly, there is no need to wait for a response. Just test it if you have doubts.

Swap MW5 for MW1 in the priority list and check out what happens to the white damage. Then run it with MW4 and note that you lose some white damage but everything else is as expected from clipping.

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 03:38 PM

Would you consider keeping a wowhead profile up-to-date? It is a nice format for people to examine your gear choices/totals/etc.

(From a purely selfish point of view it would make my job easier, since I'm moving to this format to define the default configs in SimulationCraft given that we can import them directly.)

Example: Profiler - Wowhead

I generate a local profile via: ./simcraft wowhead=12714186 trinket1=comets_trail,stats=240ap save_profiles=1

I'll readily admit I wish the wowhead site was updated as fast as mmo.....

EDIT: I should have just taken a closer look at the Rawr link. I'll add a Rawr import for driving SimulationCraft.

#26 Duscha

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 03:57 PM

Tuskarr's Vitality should be classified as BiS. Are we not as realistic as possible with all?
By given simulation_time of 1000 the DPS differs a lot. 5000 hours is a more stable value.

Nevertheless I have done it to 7318 DPS with a few adjustments.

Gear: Rawr

Enhsim config:
### Saved by version 1.8.0 of EnhSimGUI

simulation_time                 1000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   10
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         50
max_lag                         60
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  30
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating     30
ep_spellpower                   150
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         250
ep_spirit                       150
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        1
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         8
rotation_priority1              SR
rotation_priority2              SW
rotation_priority3              MW5_LB
rotation_priority4              SS
rotation_priority5              ES
rotation_priority6              MT
rotation_priority7              LS
rotation_priority8              LL

miss                            8.0
dodge                           6.5
glancing                        24.0
armor                           10645
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              5.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   4.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          687/687
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   51/51
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          potion_of_speed
food                            fish_feast

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            tauren
mh_speed                        2.7
oh_speed                        2.7
mh_dps                          188.1
oh_dps                          178.9
mh_crit                         30.86
oh_crit                         30.86
mh_hit                          11.50
oh_hit                          11.50
mh_expertise_rating             142
oh_expertise_rating             142
ap                              4584
melee_haste                     19.23
armor_penetration               5.12
str                             141
agi                             889
int                             535
spi                             161
spellpower                      1375
spell_crit                      22.68
spell_hit                       14.37
spell_haste                     14.79
max_mana                        12141
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      3789
oh_enchant                      3789

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        45522
trinket2                        45609

totem                           42608

set_bonus1                      worldbreaker_battlegear_4
set_bonus2                      -
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         41285

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -

glyph_major1                    feral_spirit
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    windfury_weapon

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            1/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   3/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   1/5
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5


DPS Report:
EnhSim version 1.8.0

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MH:
miss                237242         9.47%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            600579         23.98%
hit                 492464         19.67%
crit                1173790        46.88%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          15.77%
procs/swings        14.49%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 423821         50.17%
crit                420901         49.83%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 206903         50.27%
crit                204700         49.73%

OH:
miss                237666         9.49%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            601432         24.02%
hit                 491297         19.62%
crit                1173680        46.87%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1943195        61.75%
crit                1203856        38.25%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 206522         50.18%
crit                205081         49.82%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 316364         61.62%
crit                197017         38.38%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 234585         50.01%
crit                234454         49.99%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 391178         61.68%
crit                242988         38.32%

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 456154         100.00%
crit                0              0.00%

Spirit Wolves:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               117258         6.55%
glancing            430572         24.04%
hit                 1038500        57.99%
crit                204502         11.42%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 60.06

flurry uptime                  94.70%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   77.26%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              43.00%
oh enchant uptime              38.41%
trinket1 uptime                18.06%
trinket2 uptime                20.65%
totem uptime                   78.17%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime          0.00%
cloak enchant uptime           0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 36.11     15.56%
replenishment       37.17     16.02%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 8.99      3.87%
shamanistic rage    49.59     21.37%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc                0.00      0.00%
stormstrike         100.19    43.18%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               2172.66   29.69%    83.47
windfury            883.44    12.07%    7.04
flametongue         585.83    8.01%     52.45
stormstrike         464.77    6.35%     6.86      37.80     15.23%
lava lash           390.32    5.33%     7.82      21.54     8.68%
magma totem         569.40    7.78%     2.84      52.79     21.27%
earth shock         616.44    8.42%     8.56      55.29     22.28%
lightning bolt      1087.53   14.86%    10.57     77.44     31.21%
lightning shield    245.48    3.35%     0.84      0.00      0.00%
spirit wolves       302.22    4.13%     0.40      3.31      1.33%

DPS                 7318.09
MPS                 248.15
MP2min              29778.56
MRPS                239.04
Out of mana time    0.07%

elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 2.91s
simulation speed: 1238816x


#27 Vespasian

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 04:19 PM

Thanks for that Rouncer. I tested as you suggest and yeilded the results you predicted. I will re-inlcude MW3_CL, MW4_LB in the ability priority order list.

Dedmon, I would not be willing to maintain such a page at this time as Wowhead is not able to list EVERY item that we would include, where as my html table can (though sometimes crudely, as is currently the case with Comet's Trail).

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 04:29 PM

Dedmon, I would not be willing to maintain such a page at this time as Wowhead is not able to list EVERY item that we would include, where as my html table can (though sometimes crudely, as is currently the case with Comet's Trail).


No problem, I totally understand.

Consider using the mmo link: Comet's Trail - Items - Sigrie
No pretty mouse-overs, but a minor improvement.

Thanks for keeping the dps report up to date. You've encouraged me to ensure I keep the SimulationCraft Shaman module current.

EDIT: I'm still ~1% shy of EnhSim's numbers. I'll keep looking, but its hard to find the modeling differences when the deltas are this small.

[hieter@localhost simulationcraft]$ ./simcraft wowhead=12714186 trinket1=comets_trail,id=45609 save_profiles=1
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SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft build 3.1.3 ( iterations=1000, max_time=300, optimal_raid=1, smooth_rng=0 )
@
simcraft: Player shamant8175400 unable to download item 45609 from armory at slot trinket1.
simcraft: Trying wowhead...
@
simcraft: Player shamant8175400 unable to download item id 45609 from wowhead at slot trinket1.
simcraft: Trying mmo-champion...

Generating profiles... 
[hieter@localhost simulationcraft]$ ./save_shamant8175400.simcraft queue_lag=0.050 gcd_lag=0.050 

SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft build 3.1.3 ( iterations=1000, max_time=300, optimal_raid=1, smooth_rng=0 )

Generating baseline... 
10... 9... 8... 7... 6... 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... 

Generating reports...

DPS Ranking:
   7280 100.0%  Raid
   7286  100.0%  shamant8175400

Player=shamant8175400 (enhancement)  DPS=7285.9 (Error=+/-14.1 Range=+/-776)  DPR=34.7  RS=209.8/206.6  (mana)
  Origin: http://profiler.wowhead.com/?profile=12714186
  Core Stats:  strength=139  agility=909  stamina=970  intellect=543  spirit=154  health=12705  mana=12259
  Spell Stats:  power=1382  hit=14.37%  crit=19.20%  penetration=0  haste=11.01%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats  power=4608  hit=11.50%  crit=27.57%  expertise=7.50  penetration=5.11%  haste=14.31%
  Defense Stats:  armor=9529
  Glyphs: windfury_weapon/stormstrike/feral_spirit
  Actions:
    earth_shock           Count= 44.0| 6.8sec  DPE=  4095| 8%  DPET=  3337  DPR=  19.9  pDPS= 602  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2879  Crit= 6018| 6697|38.7%
    flametongue           Count=260.4| 1.2sec  DPE=   609| 7%  DPET=   inf  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 530  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 504  Crit=  779|  858|38.3%
    lava_lash             Count= 39.7| 7.5sec  DPE=  2756| 5%  DPET=  1778  DPR=  15.7  pDPS= 366  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1780  Crit= 3668| 4304|51.7%
    lightning_bolt        Count= 58.0| 5.1sec  DPE=  5557|15%  DPET=  4552  DPR=  16.4  pDPS=1076  Miss=0.0%  Hit=3914  Crit= 8174| 9349|38.6%
    lightning_shield      Count= 32.5| 9.0sec  DPE=  1986| 3%  DPET= 13065  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 215  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1986
    magma_totem           Count= 14.4|21.4sec  DPE= 11037| 7%  DPET= 10511  DPR=  13.2  pDPS= 530  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=139  Tick=806  CritTick=1685|1814|38.5%
    melee_main_hand       Count=204.2| 1.5sec  DPE=  2107|20%  DPET=  1468  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=1436  Miss=9.5%  Hit=1567  Crit= 3230| 3772|47.0%  Glance=1175|24.1%
    melee_off_hand        Count=204.5| 1.5sec  DPE=  1042|10%  DPET=   728  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 711  Miss=9.5%  Hit= 775  Crit= 1596| 1867|47.1%  Glance= 581|24.0%
    stormstrike           Count= 71.0| 8.6sec  DPE=  2166| 7%  DPET=  2795  DPR=  12.3  pDPS= 514  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1404  Crit= 2880| 4527|51.6%
    windfury              Count= 71.6| 8.3sec  DPE=  3857|13%  DPET=   inf  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 923  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2490  Crit= 5130| 5880|51.8%
   spirit_wolf  (DPS=479.6)
    wolf_melee            Count= 78.3| 1.2sec  DPE=  1462| 5%  DPET=  1248  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 382  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1456  Crit= 2912| 3234|12.9%  Glance=1092|23.9%  Dodge=6.5%

Gains:

    shamant8175400:
        blessing_of_wisdom=5905.0  (overflow=9.6%)
        improved_stormstrike=12987.9  (overflow=17.5%)
        initial_mana=14995.4
        judgement_of_wisdom=32741.8  (overflow=6.5%)
        replenishment=10242.6  (overflow=8.6%)

Procs:

    shamant8175400:
        blood_of_the_old_god=5.3|55.97sec
        comets_trail=6.3|47.24sec
        judgement_of_wisdom=398.4|0.75sec
        windfury=35.8|8.36sec

Up-Times:

    Global:
        100.0% : blood_frenzy                  
        100.0% : improved_scorch               
        100.0% : improved_shadow_bolt          
        100.0% : master_poisoner               
        100.0% : savage_combat                 
        100.0% : totem_of_wrath                
        100.0% : winters_chill                 

    shamant8175400:
         42.9% : berserking_mh                 
         38.4% : berserking_oh                 
         78.9% : elemental_devastation         
         90.7% : flurry                        
         66.2% : indomitability_totem          
         89.5% : nature_vulnerability          
        100.0% : replenishment                 
        100.0% : unleashed_rage                

Waiting:
    12.8% : shamant8175400

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 3060342
  MaxEventQueue = 27
  TargetHealth  = 2181627
  SimSeconds    = 299659
  CpuSeconds    = 2.780
  SpeedUp       = 107791

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=1.001348 Range=1.000000 Gauss=0.999694



#29 Deathicle

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 04:32 PM

Cat's Swiftness would be the best enchant for pure DPSing, not Tuskarr's Vitality. 6 Agility will obviously outsim 15 stamina...

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 05:29 PM

Do we have a standard acceptable spec yet? The one I originally ran my tests with was without SF, with maxed out ImpSS, and nothing in Reverb. Is there a specific spec you want us testing with or are we trying to find the best spec as well? I've tested just about every variation of the spec I run with, but for some consistency a set spec would be nice.

Using what I believe is a fairly standard spec (linked below) I've pulled the following output from the gear listed on the first post.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

This was also done with MW3_CL and MW4_LB in the rotation.

* Removed due to changes in the gear list.

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 05:45 PM

Updated

After some confusion on my part, we clarfied simulation behaviour re: swing timer resets and casts. The result is that the sim is accurate in its recreation of the ingame environment, so the MW3_CL, MW4_LB could be re-included in results.

This put Aoelian's proposed set-up at roughly 7387 DPS. Duscha then provided a build that provided a stable 7390 DPS when I applied the rotation changes.

Duscha also raised a point about the stability of our results when using only 1000 hour sims. I think he is correct, and so have set down 5000 hours as the required sim time. This will limit the output range from 1-5 dps down to 1-2 dps.

Coming back to the issue of Cat's on boots, I am still not willing to apply it since a) its value is not equal in all encounters and B) our simulation tool cannot take these variances into account and c) it is possible for a raider to have 2 pairs of the same boots and apply different enchants to them based on encounter. At least this way, people will have a clear indication of theoretical maxims, while also understanding that Cat's will often provide superior DPS based on the amount of movement in the encounter.

As for spec, the inclusion of mana simulation as a compulsory element means that mana talents must be able to support the gear and rotation you have designed, otherwise the report would demonstrate a DPS decrease.

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 06:52 PM

I have read through the Glyphs Numeric Comparison post and I dont see where the Windfury glyph has been proven to be surperior since the nerf from 5% to 2%. I dont have enhsim in front of me due to being at the office but does anyone have the comparison numbers with this gear set handy?

The last time I did a target dummy of like 4k swings I know the lightning shield glyph seemed to be like 30dps higher over the 3 or 4 rounds I did.

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 07:20 PM

I have read through the Glyphs Numeric Comparison post and I dont see where the Windfury glyph has been proven to be surperior since the nerf from 5% to 2%. I dont have enhsim in front of me due to being at the office but does anyone have the comparison numbers with this gear set handy?

The last time I did a target dummy of like 4k swings I know the lightning shield glyph seemed to be like 30dps higher over the 3 or 4 rounds I did.



Target Dummy =/ Sim unless you managed to get an entire raid's worth of buffs and debuffs applied to the boss dummy.

My sim runs show WF > FT > LB for that third glyph spot.

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Boot Enchants - I suggest removing them entirely for testing purposes.

In 3.2 there will be a third option that will muck up the BiS even further since Nitro boots will be getting 24 crit rating. Beyond that if someone is using two sets of BiS boots to be able to switch enchants based on the encounter then they will need to be hit capped in their cat speed enchanted version meaning Icewalker will take them over the spell hit cap. Since your current BiS uses Icewalker to just hit that spell hit cap it loses that ability to switch enchants, meaning it is no longer a real BiS set.

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 10:40 PM

1. Major notice - it should be named as "[Enhancement] Enhsim BiS gear and set-up". There are other tools available such as Simcraft and Rawr and it is not proven that Enhsim is better reflecting in-game behavior.

2. Minor notice - why profession choice is limited to static 64 ap bonus? Jc+bs combo would add more flexibility in playing around hit/exp caps.

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 03:01 AM

2. Minor notice - why profession choice is limited to static 64 ap bonus? Jc+bs combo would add more flexibility in playing around hit/exp caps.


Probably for the same reason race is limited, it's supposed to be about the gear.

#36 Vespasian

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 03:45 AM

Again on Cat's on boots, I am still not convinced since there are at least two encounters currently in the game where this enchant provides no benefit whatsoever (XT normal mode and Patchwerk). Given that encounters such as these (stationary, tank and spank encounters) are often used as the 'benchmark' DPS encounters, they offer the greatest opportunity to view our maximum potential DPS in-game. I think there is some value in our simulation results, that demonstrate our theoretical potential, aligning with these in-game encounters that show our actual performance under conditions as close to the simulation environment as possible.

I make a clear note on the boots enchant directing people to the TTT section on minor speed to boots, This will allow people to make an informed choice about their boots enchant. If people do chose a run speed enchant for the currently listed BiS set-up, they will simply have to gear/enchant to accomodate this.

On professions, the JC, BS and Skinning provide non-uniform benfits that are not aligned with the standard +64 AP provided by most other professions. Since, as Rouncer points out, this is about gear and not professions, I actively sought to exclude professions such as these as they would skew the results, and make them impractical given that few people would spend 3-5K gold levelling a profession for a 10-15 DPS in simulator results. Any DPS increase that people of those professions are able to obtain is free DPS over and above the minimum laid down here.

As for the integrity of the Enhsim versus other sims, I will only say that Enhsim is as accurate a sim tool as the community is currently able to maintain. It provides a largely accurate testing environment and given the support provided by many people, bugs are often identified and corrected (such as currently occuring with the matter of swing timers and non-instant casts). Simcraft, according to one of the authors, is providing results with around 1% standard deviation from Enhsim, so I am sure that this is also a valuable tool. Rawr is not a useful tool for us as its since you cannot dictate an ability priority list.

#37 Vespasian

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 06:44 AM

Updated

Managed to squeeze out a little more dps when using Gloves of the Steady Hand.

#38 Donodan

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 12:37 PM

Hey, my Chars name is Donodan, currently playing on Eu nathreuim as the raidlead form"set sail for fail" ~ world rank 190, therefore I am not new to the Ej forum.

Beacuse i am from Germany, my english isn´t the best , so I hope that you will forgive me for my wired structure and choice of words.

I was able to sim a log in which i reached ~7427-7430 dps

Here´s the current setup form chardev (using 2x dark Matter because Comet´s isn´t avaiable at chardev-_>simply adding 18 ap at EnhSim)
chardev.org v6 ~ a World of Warcraft character planner

Because i Don´t know how to link such a code I´ll post the the complete data

(don´t know why i it still says 1.7, updated it today)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI

simulation_time                 5000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   5
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  30
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating     30
ep_spellpower                   150
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         250
ep_spirit                       150
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        1
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         9
rotation_priority1              SR
rotation_priority2              SW
rotation_priority3              MW5_LB
rotation_priority4              SS
rotation_priority5              ES
rotation_priority6              MT
rotation_priority7              LS
rotation_priority8              LL
rotation_priority9              MW4_LB

miss                            8.0
dodge                           6.5
glancing                        24.0
armor                           10645
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              5.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   4.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_relentless_assault
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          potion_of_speed
food                            fish_feast

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            orc
mh_speed                        2.7
oh_speed                        2.7
mh_dps                          188.1
oh_dps                          178.9
mh_crit                         33.48
oh_crit                         33.48
mh_hit                          11.19
oh_hit                          11.19
mh_expertise_rating             140
oh_expertise_rating             140
ap                              4864
melee_haste                     12
armor_penetration               2.68
str                             141
agi                             965
int                             501
spi                             160
spellpower                      1459
spell_crit                      24.19
spell_hit                       13.99
spell_haste                     9.33
max_mana                        13000
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        45609
trinket2                        45522

totem                           42608

set_bonus1                      worldbreaker_battlegear_4
set_bonus2                      -
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         chaotic_skyflare_diamond

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    feral_spirit

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            0/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   3/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   2/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

EnhSim version 1.8.0

................................................................................


OH:
miss                1204486        9.82%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            2946665        24.01%
hit                 2230054        18.17%
crit                5889570        48.00%

OH Flametongue:
miss                3243           0.02%
hit                 9626684        61.73%
crit                5965178        38.25%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 1036325        49.04%
crit                1076834        50.96%

Earth Shock:
miss                532            0.02%
hit                 1663380        61.75%
crit                1029617        38.23%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 1182665        48.96%
crit                1232992        51.04%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                708            0.02%
hit                 2144829        61.75%
crit                1327593        38.22%

Lightning Shield:
miss                450            0.02%
hit                 2290071        99.98%
crit                0              0.00%

Spirit Wolves:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               585940         6.50%
glancing            2159774        23.97%
hit                 5227270        58.02%
crit                1036544        11.50%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 59.39

flurry uptime                  95.38%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   79.46%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              42.55%
oh enchant uptime              38.18%
trinket1 uptime                20.57%
trinket2 uptime                18.08%
totem uptime                   80.52%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime          0.00%
cloak enchant uptime           0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 36.12     19.30%
replenishment       38.83     20.74%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 8.93      4.77%
shamanistic rage    103.28    55.18%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc                0.00      0.00%
stormstrike         0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               2156.40   29.03%    81.81
windfury            892.80    12.02%    7.02
flametongue         586.00    7.89%     51.98
stormstrike         484.35    6.52%     7.04      38.81     17.68%
lava lash           399.73    5.38%     8.05      16.39     7.46%
magma totem         554.58    7.46%     2.87      53.35     24.30%
earth shock         634.19    8.54%     8.98      37.96     17.29%
lightning bolt      1171.10   15.76%    11.58     69.75     31.77%
lightning shield    242.25    3.26%     0.85      0.00      0.00%
spirit wolves       307.95    4.15%     0.40      3.31      1.51%

DPS                 7429.36
MPS                 219.56
MP2min              26346.91
MRPS                193.39
Out of mana time    0.12%

elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 17.85s
simulation speed: 1008572x


#39 Rouncer

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 01:35 PM

Hey, my Chars name is Donodan, currently playing on Eu nathreuim as the raidlead form"set sail for fail" ~ world rank 190, therefore I am not new to the Ej forum.

race                            orc


First off use [ code ] [ /code ] when posting a config file. Next, read the directions and understand them before posting. All sims are to be done with Tauren as the selected race to prevent race from being involved in the performance.


Again on Cat's on boots, I am still not convinced since there are at least two encounters currently in the game where this enchant provides no benefit whatsoever (XT normal mode and Patchwerk). Given that encounters such as these (stationary, tank and spank encounters) are often used as the 'benchmark' DPS encounters, they offer the greatest opportunity to view our maximum potential DPS in-game. I think there is some value in our simulation results, that demonstrate our theoretical potential, aligning with these in-game encounters that show our actual performance under conditions as close to the simulation environment as possible.

I make a clear note on the boots enchant directing people to the TTT section on minor speed to boots, This will allow people to make an informed choice about their boots enchant. If people do chose a run speed enchant for the currently listed BiS set-up, they will simply have to gear/enchant to accomodate this.

On professions, the JC, BS and Skinning provide non-uniform benfits that are not aligned with the standard +64 AP provided by most other professions. Since, as Rouncer points out, this is about gear and not professions, I actively sought to exclude professions such as these as they would skew the results, and make them impractical given that few people would spend 3-5K gold levelling a profession for a 10-15 DPS in simulator results. Any DPS increase that people of those professions are able to obtain is free DPS over and above the minimum laid down here.


Cat's speed. There may be two encounters where it will not show any benefit however there are many more encounters where it will be extremely beneficial. People do keep two sets of boots ( I know I do) for the two enchants but that doesn't preclude making sure that you are at least at the hit cap when using the set of boots with runspeed. Since your set is literally at the spell hit cap when using Icewalker, you will be under the cap when using a set with runspeed, thus invalidating your results entirely.

Professions. Don't forget about tailoring and engineering, they also have non-standard benefits that may actually end up being superior to the other options.

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Posted 18 July 2009 - 01:44 PM

Well I already said i didn t know how to handel the config file, so thanks for your advice - I have changed it now.

The race doesn´t seem to chance anything (still getting 7430 dps as Tauren) as long you are not wearing axes, (strange because auf the orc racial), so i forgot to swap it back to tauren,my fault here.




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