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#21 probiscus

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 06:20 PM

On a sidenote, I can't believe we worked on Loatheb before Gothik. Gothik is on par with Razuvious difficulty.

Incoming derail.

We just killed Patchwerk, Grobbulus (duh!) and Heigan the last 2 days and we're trying to decide where to go now. Would you suggest Gluth or Gothik as the next loot pinata?

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#22 Felippe

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 06:24 PM

We have a "Loot Rotation" system, overseen by a loot council, and the rogues arent eligible for tier 3 rotations until our 4 mt's have their tier 3. At this point, only bracers have opened to rogues, but Gloves and Belt should be open this week also, and boots should be opening soon, if they ever drop anything but mage boots. =)

Mage boots huh? So you give priority with the cloth pieces to mages? That in itself is dumb. Warlocks benefit the most from their 2 piece bonus.

Until a warlock has the possibility of wearing 5-6+ pieces of Plagueheart, there's no excuse for him to break the 5/5 Doomcaller bonus. Bracers and Belt + 5/5 Doomcaller is much better and should be quite possible to get for a guild just starting Naxxramas.

As far as Goon Squad goes, we just started Naxxramas and are still working on C'thun and Ouro so for right now we're just giving priority on the tokens to our two main tanks and then it'll be determined by DKP.

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 06:26 PM

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On a sidenote, I can't believe we worked on Loatheb before Gothik. Gothik is on par with Razuvious difficulty.

wha? gothik is one of the few fights i still feel like we risk wiping on each week. we actually leave him for after loatheb when we have our silly buffs up, just because the extra damage helps so much at overpowering the spawns.

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 06:29 PM

In our guild we could never really come to a consensus about it, so its not really been hammered out one way or another. As it is, the most active tanks have a good bit of DN because they have the most dkp and also a lot of people pass to thme out of respect/progress desire/etc. However we never set out any concrete rules.

In general as a rogue if my guild said "too bad no tier 3 for you until we gear up our seventy billion offtanks" I wouldn't stick around unless some other concessions are made. I'd definitely say though that rogue prio on tier 2.5 and the weapons they want would be my personal preference, because rogues get excellent upgrades in a number of spaces, as well as their most important spaces, while warriors get their tanking gear. After a few drops have come, make it open bidding, or maybe give rogues prio.


I think it also heavily depends on the gear levels of the various classes in your guild. If you had a hard time with wrath drops, then give the warriors additional prio, because obviously all the rogues will be geared up. But I don't think giving full prio only to warriors is a good way to run a guild from a raiding perspective (how much is one offtanks armor going to offset needing more dps on noth?) or from a guild perspective, because alienating an entire class is a good way to shoot yourself in the foot. Good rogues are fairly rare, crappy rogues are a dime a dozen :)

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 06:30 PM

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On a sidenote, I can't believe we worked on Loatheb before Gothik. Gothik is on par with Razuvious difficulty.

wha? gothik is one of the few fights i still feel like we risk wiping on each week. we actually leave him for after loatheb when we have our silly buffs up, just because the extra damage helps so much at overpowering the spawns.

Yar, gothic is a very iffy fight. Not a big fan.
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Posted 21 September 2006 - 06:34 PM

Mage boots huh? So you give priority with the cloth pieces to mages? That in itself is dumb. Warlocks benefit the most from their 2 piece bonus.

Mages benefit from adding 1 crit to their boot slot, thus upping the ignite percentages and increasing raid wide dps. That said, we run with 3 locks, and 2 have their tier 3 boots, so its hardly an issue, and when I say "Mages" I really mean "Damage Casters"

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 06:49 PM

Mage boots huh? So you give priority with the cloth pieces to mages? That in itself is dumb. Warlocks benefit the most from their 2 piece bonus.

Mages benefit from adding 1 crit to their boot slot, thus upping the ignite percentages and increasing raid wide dps. That said, we run with 3 locks, and 2 have their tier 3 boots, so its hardly an issue, and when I say "Mages" I really mean "Damage Casters"

Hmm....I think Warriors are the only ones who need any sort of priority, under any circumstances, on T3 loot...and I'm a Mage myself.

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 06:51 PM

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On a sidenote, I can't believe we worked on Loatheb before Gothik. Gothik is on par with Razuvious difficulty.

wha? gothik is one of the few fights i still feel like we risk wiping on each week. we actually leave him for after loatheb when we have our silly buffs up, just because the extra damage helps so much at overpowering the spawns.

Derail inevitable.

Once we figured out our CC / Kill orders on the living side it only took us about 5 attempts to get that down, then we just needed a couple tries after that for dead side to adjust to the full spawns. Personally, I enjoy the fight a lot, I guess it just sort of clicked for us. Probably would have been a bit harder if we had fewer than 5 priests though.

#29 Seeten

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 06:51 PM

Well yeah, we have mages, locks and priests with the boots. I didnt mean to imply we gave them to mages only, simply that the cloth drop kept dropping, not the war/rogue one. Heh

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 07:03 PM

We geared out four tanks with 4/9, then opened up loot to rogues as well. In retrospect, we should have geared out 8 tanks with 4/9 first.

4/9 Bonescythe is a big DPS upgrade for your rogues, but realistically mage DPS outperforms them on most fights that matter anyways. It sucks for rogues, but hey, those are the realities of the situation.

You don't need 8 tanks at with 4 piece for 4H by any means. And what fights are you referring to, because I'm certainly not seeing this difference.

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 07:11 PM

We gave a Rogue 6/9 Bonescythe and he ebay'd! >_<
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Posted 21 September 2006 - 07:15 PM

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 07:22 PM

We gave a Rogue 6/9 Bonescythe and he ebay'd! >_<

how much did he get?

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 07:51 PM

In general as a rogue if my guild said "too bad no tier 3 for you until we gear up our seventy billion offtanks" I wouldn't stick around unless some other concessions are made.

Just curious. How do you feel about Druids bidding on non-healing leather?

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 07:58 PM

We gave a Rogue 6/9 Bonescythe and he ebay'd! >_<

We have already lost 15 Warrior/Rogue pieces to Ebay!

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 08:04 PM

In general as a rogue if my guild said "too bad no tier 3 for you until we gear up our seventy billion offtanks" I wouldn't stick around unless some other concessions are made.

Just curious. How do you feel about Druids bidding on non-healing leather?

What does that have to do with set item distribution?

As far as that goes, Ghoul Skin Tunic and items that fit into that sort of category are fine. Just stay away from the +hit% stuff and we can all be friends.

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 08:06 PM

We geared out four tanks with 4/9, then opened up loot to rogues as well. In retrospect, we should have geared out 8 tanks with 4/9 first.

4/9 Bonescythe is a big DPS upgrade for your rogues, but realistically mage DPS outperforms them on most fights that matter anyways. It sucks for rogues, but hey, those are the realities of the situation.

Where do you find your mages? We have 5-6 rogues pushing 700-760 DPS, and no mages even close, even with the best PvE spec available.

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 08:06 PM

We will probably hit the 4H with about 6 wars in 4+ pieces with our 2 MT's in 6/7. Atm our primary MT is at 6, secondary MT at 4 (he will be up to 6 when the pieces he needs drop). Otherwise we have 2 more wars with 4 now, 1 with 3 and 1 with a single piece. Some pieces have been opened up to rogues but I think the idea is to have at least 6 of them with the 4+ bonus by the twin emps. We should be hitting Gothik and Loetheb harder now that we've got Thaddius figured out and working for us.

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 08:14 PM

The only fights I can think of where Fire mages vastly rape our rogues are Thaddius and Loatheb. Those encounters also are incredibly stacked towards Fire mage victory however.

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 08:22 PM

In general as a rogue if my guild said "too bad no tier 3 for you until we gear up our seventy billion offtanks" I wouldn't stick around unless some other concessions are made.

Just curious. How do you feel about Druids bidding on non-healing leather?

What does that have to do with set item distribution?

When sets = tokens shared among classes, it blurs the lines between set and x-class item distribution. There is kind of a continuum:

At the "liberalist" end of the spectrum you have the "We don't need class restrictions on loot" camp.

At the "socialist" end of the spectrum you have the "We should distribute loot where it will be used best" camp.

In between we have what I might call the "opportunist camp". Its more like "We don't need restrictions on what my class can bid on - but we do need restrictions on what your class can bid on" camp.

When I see those sorts of ultimatums, it just makes me curious what camp you fell into. It clearly isn't socialist. Is it the liberalist camp or the opportunist camp?




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